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Posted on 10/11/14 at 11:47 am
Posted by roguetiger15
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 11:47 am
how much do you think this whole ISIS situation and the way this administration is handling it will cause friction inside the democratic base?

both with voters and the elections coming up and also in terms of our elected officials currently on the hill.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 11:58 am to
Horse elevators and contraception prisons. Got to keep their eye on the ball.
Posted by FT
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 12:03 pm to
Great response. Prescient and meaningful.

I'm fairly certain that the Democratic base doesn't care for the way it's been handled. They're fine with a bombing campaign, but it needs to be effective and it's not. Either do it right, or don't bother.
Posted by Layabout
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 12:25 pm to
I guess there will always be people who would applaud our charging in like an enraged rhinoceros. Personally I like Obama's more measured approach to foreign affairs. He did the right thing with Ukraine and I'm comfortable with what he's done so far in Iraq to deal with ISIS.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 12:38 pm to
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Personally I like Obama's more measured approach to foreign affairs.


If only his own administration shared your confidence. Those closest to him know he's completely disengaged. "Measured approach" sounds great-who Isn't for a "measured approach" as opposed to being "an enraged rhinoceros" after 13 years of war? But that is not what his approach is.

His approach is haphazard, contradictory, inconsistent, encourages our allies to shrink away, and emboldens our enemies. That's not just me-that's Gates, Clinton and Richardson. When your own Secretary of Defense and your own CIA Director call you out publically, they are ringing an alarm bell. They are telling you as clearly as possible that the US has no International credibility, that the US is now unable to effect International events, and that the President lacks the will to do what is in the best interest of America.

Too bad that the congregation is too busy drinking the bath water to notice.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

how much do you think this whole ISIS situation and the way this administration is handling it will cause friction inside the democratic base?
0%, we know this whole situation was caused by the Bush administration taking Saddam out.

We have bigger fish to fry here.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42596 posts
Posted on 10/11/14 at 12:59 pm to
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We have bigger fish to fry here.

Yep - you got to save the wimminz from being forced to have stranger's babies.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 1:33 pm to
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We have bigger fish to fry here.



like?

not trying to be a dick, serious question. what else is on the agenda currently for this administration?
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 1:38 pm to
Raising the minimum wage, immigration reform, equal pay for women are the 3 main ones.
Posted by Wild Thang
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

Personally I like Obama's more measured approach to foreign affairs.


Posted by Wild Thang
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

Raising the minimum wage, immigration reform, equal pay for women are the 3 main ones.



Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
16167 posts
Posted on 10/11/14 at 1:48 pm to
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Raising the minimum wage, immigration reform, equal pay for women are the 3 main ones.


i can respect those agendas and every one of those needs to be addressed, but why isn't anyone on the left making these points a center point on their re-election.

it seems like the trendy thing to do in terms of the left is to create distance to obama. sure, this happens almost every time with elected officials up for re-election and a president in basically the lame-duck faze but what i don't see is anyone running heavily on those platforms stated above.
Posted by Wild Thang
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 1:49 pm to
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i can respect those agendas and every one of those needs to be addressed,


Only one needs to be addressed actually.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

what else is on the agenda currently for this administration?


This administration doesn't have classic foreign policy administration "goals". This is not Carter trying to achieve peace between Israel and Egypt or Ronald Reagan trying to shame the Russians. This is a different animal altogether.

Obama rightly concluded Imho that Republican excess and hubris led to an unnecessary war in Iraq with terrible results for America. He went in with the goal of being a "do-nothing" foreign policy President. The problem with that in the real world is that power abhors a vacuum and every bad actor in the world has rushed in to make their claim against their neighbor. From China in the South China Sea to the Russians to ISIS.

The President and his magical thinking minions, against the logic of the entire history of humanity, believe these things won't have long-term negative effects for America. So they busy themselves with issues that make them feel good and they demagogue those.

The Liberal Experiment is essentially a 150 year old project to change human nature. They content themselves with First World social engineering issues like Contraception, gay marriage, raising the minimum wage, expanding programs, equal-pay for women , global warming , lesbian dance therapy, midnight basketball, bumper-sticker sloganeering bullshite. It all makes them feel tremendously good about themselves. Which is the whole point of being a liberal, it allows one to point the Nanny Finger and Morally preen.

They make the mess for 8 years and then the adults have to come in and clean up.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
16167 posts
Posted on 10/11/14 at 1:57 pm to
i think minimum wage should be a state by state issue, not a national number. immigration reform needs to be addressed, period. women income needs to be addressed and actually be a platform issue for republicans/conservatives to draw in more of the women voters, which we've lost over the last decade.
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
82952 posts
Posted on 10/11/14 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

but why isn't anyone on the left making these points a center point on their re-election.
not sure, probably why they're trailing in a lot of polls.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
16167 posts
Posted on 10/11/14 at 2:15 pm to
tt9 what would you say to minimum wage being a state issue.

the way i see it, it should be a state issue and here's why. i just don't get how someone in bumfrick missisippi is entitled to the same minimum wage as someone in new york or LA. to me each state should have their own min wage dictated by a formula heavily weighted by some kind of average income within within that state.
This post was edited on 10/11/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
82952 posts
Posted on 10/11/14 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

tt9 what would you say to minimum wage being a state issue.
I'd be for it.
Posted by Wild Thang
YAW YAW Fooball Nation
Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 10/11/14 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

i think minimum wage should be a state by state issue, not a national number.


It's not a pressing issue honestly.

quote:

immigration reform needs to be addressed, period.


No doubt. Amnesty isn't the answer

quote:

women income needs to be addressed


Perhaps the liberals in the Senate will address their own staff and campaign problems with regard to this issue first before preaching about it.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4965 posts
Posted on 10/11/14 at 4:43 pm to
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Raising the minimum wage


So the Fed min. wage is $7.35, assuming a person gets a 40hr work week, thats about $294/week & a little over $15K a year.

So if we raise the MW to say, $9.00/hr, which is about $360/wk, which is about $19K a year.

Now tell me, HOW is that going to lift millions of people out of 'poverty'?

While its a little extra money, its not enough to give a person a good standard of living.

How about lets create economic policies that foster economic growth?

quote:

immigration reform,


Giving amnesty to 30 million illegal invaders? And then opening the door to millions of others?

We are starting to reap the bitter harvest of insane, open-borders policies. With Ebola and other contagious diseases coming into our country

How does this benefit our country other than lining the pockets of the mega-wealthy multi-national corporations and the rat party that will give out hundreds of billions of our hard earned $$$ in exchange for votes.

quote:

equal pay for women


There has been 'equal pay' for women for decades. If women want 'equal pay' then they need to start pursuing careers that pay well.

A scientist is going to make a lot more money than someone who is a social worker down at the welfare office.

Someone who works on a drilling rig is going to make a lot more money than someone working in a day care center.
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