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Pew Poll: Difference in Priorities between Ds and R
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:06 pm
This seems to confirm a great deal IMO.
Wide Partisan Differences Over the Issues That Matter in 2014
IMO, the economic distance between one person and another is completely and utterly irrelevant, what is important is the economic distance between a person and what it takes to survive.
If "Income Inequality" was an issue, then a world where everyone had a hard time eating, where everyone was poor, would solve this "problem" ... and would be "better" then what we have now. Of course a world where everyone was rich, were everyone could eat and provide themselves with what they need, would be ideal ... and is it realistic to believe that by abdicating your wits and liberty to government that it can automagically come about?
You know why they talk about "Income Inequality" instead of the cost of living? They want people to believe that their neighbors are the problem, that their neighbors are the bad guy ... they invoke emotions so people will feel instead of think.
Another reason they do not like talk about cost of living is because many of the policies they support (namely taxes and regulation), drive up the cost of living. If people knew how much government adds to the cost of their food, housing, health care, etc ... our country would change overnight.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 12:07 pm
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:10 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
How is "birth control" even an issue? I mean da frick. You want birth control, go get some. It's fricking out of hand when people think getting another person to pay for their birth control is some sort of f'n right.
But, even if an issue, to call it "very important" to your vote is a sign of retardation. Same for gay marriage(either way). If you're voting based on that, just f'n shoot yourself.
But, even if an issue, to call it "very important" to your vote is a sign of retardation. Same for gay marriage(either way). If you're voting based on that, just f'n shoot yourself.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:16 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
The great Margaret Thatcher nailed it in 1990. See the video here:
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Thatcher, "You would rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich."
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Thatcher, "You would rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich."
Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:19 pm to SettleDown
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How is "birth control" even an issue? I mean da frick. You want birth control, go get some. It's fricking out of hand when people think getting another person to pay for their birth control is some sort of f'n right.
I really don't know, and what does that mean?
Pro/con BC or pro/con govt paying for it? Is ADHD or spray tanning an issue? I don't get it.
Honestly the top looks like a sample of issues important to adults, while the bottom looks like issues assembled by teenagers.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:34 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
bar graphs 
Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:49 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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IMO, the economic distance between one person and another is completely and utterly irrelevant, what is important is the economic distance between a person and what it takes to survive.
If "Income Inequality" was an issue, then a world where everyone had a hard time eating, where everyone was poor, would solve this "problem" ... and would be "better" then what we have now. Of course a world where everyone was rich, were everyone could eat and provide themselves with what they need, would be ideal ... and is it realistic to believe that by abdicating your wits and liberty to government that it can automagically come about?
You know why they talk about "Income Inequality" instead of the cost of living? They want people to believe that their neighbors are the problem, that their neighbors are the bad guy ... they invoke emotions so people will feel instead of think.
one of the primary goals of a political system is the distribution of economic assets within that system, i.e. who gets what.
The fact that republicans don't care about it, is quite telling. What this survey tells me is democrats are VERY concerned about the future of this nation, and how we divvy up assets. They probably believe the system is unfair (its by definition unfair).
If enough people do believe the system is unfair, it will come down. So in essence, democrats recognize this and want to continue our existence, where as republicans DGAF assuming you don't touch their stuff.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:52 pm to SettleDown
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How is "birth control" even an issue? I mean da frick. You want birth control, go get some. It's fricking out of hand when people think getting another person to pay for their birth control is some sort of f'n right.
But, even if an issue, to call it "very important" to your vote is a sign of retardation. Same for gay marriage(either way). If you're voting based on that, just f'n shoot yourself.
The republican senate candidate for colorado supported (after it popped up as an issue, he withdrew support) an state constitutional amendment that would ban multiple forms of birth control.
This threat is just completely unfricking acceptable. I hate mark uddall but I cannot vote for someone who has EVER thought that birth control should be made illegal. I am not a one issue voter, and reproductive rights would rate about the bottom on issues I care about. But birth control?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:03 pm to Hawkeye95
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one of the primary goals of a political system is the distribution of economic assets within that system, i.e. who gets what.
Wtf? No it's not. The government should never have a hand in deciding who gets what. Because they will never enrich the poor, they'll just toss them scraps while enriching the hand that feeds them I.e corporations.
A free market system is the only one where the poor have a legit shot at making something of themselves. It's no coincidence that over time income inequality has risen as the Govt has gotten more involved in welfare, the economy and regulations. If you want to reduce income inequality them you should support less government and more free markets
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:14 pm to deltaland
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Wtf? No it's not. The government should never have a hand in deciding who gets what. Because they will never enrich the poor, they'll just toss them scraps while enriching the hand that feeds them I.e corporations.
Go study some political theory, we talking political systems not gov'ts. Political systems dictate who receives what. Our political system has said its the "market" that gets to decide that, but a communist state would use a different theory on allocation of assets. Its one of the most basic questions you ask - well how are we going to decide who gets what.
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A free market system is the only one where the poor have a legit shot at making something of themselves. It's no coincidence that over time income inequality has risen as the Govt has gotten more involved in welfare, the economy and regulations. If you want to reduce income inequality them you should support less government and more free markets
I do agree a free market system has a better shot at determining who receives what. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have flaws.
The biggest flaw is that we really don't have free markets.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:45 pm to Hawkeye95
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The republican senate candidate for colorado supported (after it popped up as an issue, he withdrew support) an state constitutional amendment that would ban multiple forms of birth control.
Those issues were similar to the Hobby Lobby case where they were against the types that killed fertilized eggs but not the typical pill, etc.
It is unfortunate though, in a state like CO and their primary/caucus system that any candidate has to appeal to the theocrats who manage the system. Those bill have no chance of ever seeing the light of day, and everyone knows it, but if you don't support them, the theocrats will try to sink you. That's why you get someone like Udall.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:59 pm to Hawkeye95
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What this survey tells me is democrats are VERY concerned about the future of this nation, and how we divvy up assets
Nail on head without even realizing it.
Dems have no concern of the fiscal health of the country...but are very interested in figuring out how to "divvy up" the wealth of the country.
Well done.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 4:15 pm to moneyg
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Dems have no concern of the fiscal health of the country...but are very interested in figuring out how to "divvy up" the wealth of the country.
this. I'd say the category "budget deficit" speaks far more long term.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:47 am to Ghostfacedistiller
This priority summary is telling. What is missing is racism as a huge issue for Democrats; not so much for Republicans. I think most objective outside observers can see that Pubs have the higher priorities in order compared to the Dem focus on social issues and the environment. My view is if we keep the economy rolling with less taxes and more jobs, most of the rest will take care of itself.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:50 am to Ghostfacedistiller
Interesting to note. 'The economy', No. 5 with Dems has a higher score with Dems than 'The environment', No. 1 with Dems.
78 to 69
78 to 69
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:54 am to Ghostfacedistiller
Wow! Glad this was bumped cause I missed this yesterday.
Really shows you how fricked up the priorities for libs are. Buncha fricking children.
Really shows you how fricked up the priorities for libs are. Buncha fricking children.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:05 am to Hawkeye95
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The fact that republicans don't care about it, is quite telling. What this survey tells me is democrats are VERY concerned about the future of this nation, and how we divvy up assets.
Holy shite.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:14 am to SettleDown
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How is "birth control" even an issue?
I guess it isn't if either a) you don't like sex b) you are infertile or c) you can afford as many babies as you like. quote:
You want birth control, go get some. It's fricking out of hand when people think getting another person to pay for their birth control is some sort of f'n right.
So you'd a) rather pay out even more in government subsidies to poor children b) eliminate subsidies to poor children c) free abortion for all or d) create a time machine so women with unwanted pregnancies can undo their decision?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:20 am to Wild Thang
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The fact that republicans don't care about it, is quite telling. What this survey tells me is democrats are VERY concerned about the future of this nation, and how we divvy up assets.
Holy shite.
Yep, this is a good example of the extreme divide in our nation. And of course what isn't discussed with this liberal progressive "divvy up the assets" philosophy is who will decide how the assets will be divided? No doubt brilliant liberal progressives are most qualified to make these decisions.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:37 am to Ghostfacedistiller
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Those issues were similar to the Hobby Lobby case where they were against the types that killed fertilized eggs but not the typical pill, etc.
it doesn't matter. banning any form of birth control is just irresponsible.
and to all of the other posters who complained about my divvying, I am discussing it a macro level. How does the system determine who gets what is a very important question, market based, gov't based, fuedelism, etc that the republicans are currently ignoring.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:53 am to davesdawgs
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And of course what isn't discussed with this liberal progressive "divvy up the assets" philosophy is who will decide how the assets will be divided? No doubt brilliant liberal progressives are most qualified to make these decisions.
Yep.
Liberals are fricking idiots.
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