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Question about our defensive scheme
Posted on 9/28/14 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 9/28/14 at 5:22 pm
I don't even know the actual numerical name of the formation we run on defense i.e. 5-2, 4-3, whatever. When I look at other teams, I see 2 or 3 LB's fairly close behind their DL, so when a QB looks across the LOS, he sees 6 or 7 people staring him down. On the other hand, I look at us and often see no one behind the D-Linemen. Welter may move up to fill a gap, move out to cover a slot man and therefore leaves nothing behind the line. One good block between the guard and tackle and no one touches the RB for 7-8 yds. From a layman's perspective, it looks too easy. Can someone explain how our defensive scheme is designed to stop the straight running play?
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 5:25 pm to TNTigerman
LSU runs a typical 4-3 base but many teams force them into a nickel defense with the spread offense. That takes a linebacker off the field. The two remaining LBers and safeties need to be on the second level against the run. But when the middle linebacker fails, the run usually succeeds. Thus, the anger about Welter.
This post was edited on 9/28/14 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 9/28/14 at 5:29 pm to TNTigerman
Show me a screenshot where we don't have at least one lb in the box. We run a 4-3 defense. Unless they have 3 or 4 receivers on the field, there's always 3 line backers right behind the d line.
This post was edited on 9/28/14 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 9/28/14 at 5:30 pm to TNTigerman
Base 4-3. For some reason the Chief has stayed in base nickel (4 DL, 2LB, 5DB) for the past couple of weeks against teams that spread you out. This is yielded the vulnerable formation that you mentioned that MSU ate up last week. 5 blocking 4 with only the safety 8-10 yards behind them. The extra blocker went straight out to seal the LB trying to get back to the middle.
Auburn will exploit the hell out of that if we try to play it the same way next week.
Auburn will exploit the hell out of that if we try to play it the same way next week.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 5:35 pm to ForeLSU
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Auburn will exploit the hell out of that if we try to play it the same way next week.
Loved seeing Beckwith get so many snaps last night. We'll absolutely need him against Auburn.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:06 pm to Geaux9
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Show me a screenshot where we don't have at least one lb in the box. We run a 4-3 defense. Unless they have 3 or 4 receivers on the field, there's always 3 line backers right behind the d line.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:11 pm to TNTigerman
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On the other hand, I look at us and often see no one behind the D-Linemen.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:12 pm to Geaux9
quote:I don't have a screen shot, but screen is sort of the operative word. Sometimes the sideline camera shot only shows 5 guys near the LOS. As I said before, there may be 5, but sometimes Welter will move up near a gap which leaves no one behind. I realize there's run support from the safeties, but first they have to recognize the play and THEN run up to make the tackle. Here's a better way to put it; it's the middle of the second quarter, 2nd and 5, and it often looks like we're in a prevent defense.
Show me a screenshot where we don't have at least one lb in the box. We run a 4-3 defense. Unless they have 3 or 4 receivers on the field, there's always 3 line backers right behind the d line.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:14 pm to TNTigerman
here's the play where Prescott scored on the long run...
Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:16 pm to ForeLSU
Welter was blitzing on that play.
It was a perfect call by Miss St.
It was a perfect call by Miss St.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:18 pm to KG5989
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Welter was blitzing on that play.
It was a perfect call by Miss St.
it was a horrendous play call (or botched play) by LSU
Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:25 pm to ForeLSU
We got caught in a blitz.... Bad things happen when you get caught in a blitz.
And that wasn't even the read option... Prescott was back there by himself. It was a straight QB draw right up the middle. Perfect play call.
And that wasn't even the read option... Prescott was back there by himself. It was a straight QB draw right up the middle. Perfect play call.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:49 pm to TNTigerman
I posted a similar topic, but I did not get much of a response. When teams have gone no back, we frequently get into a four man front with no linebackers between the offensive tackles. Miss St. and now New Mex St. have gouged us with this. Auburn will too with a really fast QB; the Chief has to can this look.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:02 pm to bearhc
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I posted a similar topic, but I did not get much of a response. When teams have gone no back, we frequently get into a four man front with no linebackers between the offensive tackles. Miss St. and now New Mex St. have gouged us with this. Auburn will too with a really fast QB; the Chief has to can this look.
Thanks for the screen shot ForeLSU which confirms what I thought I've been seeing.
Obviously, if they're in the spread, you've got to put a man out on each. The four defensive linemen and one LB need to do some combination of rushing and shadowing the passer at the same time. Maybe 2 rush hard one play, the other 3 engage their man and lay back a bit (like they do when they suspect a screen). Each play, mix it up by sending 2, 3, 4, or all 5 hard.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:13 pm to TNTigerman
A QB draw isn't a very common play.. Especially out of 5 wide. Like others said state's OC just happened to make the right call at the right time.
Welter could have disguised his blitz a little better though.
Chances this happens again are pretty slim
Welter could have disguised his blitz a little better though.
Chances this happens again are pretty slim
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:23 pm to tigers32
I think chief does a good job adjusting to malzhan's gimmicks. The main problem this year is weak DT play. So his adjustments might not matter.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:26 pm to tigers32
I think chief does a good job adjusting to malzhan's gimmicks. The main problem this year is weak DT play. So his adjustments might not matter.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:26 pm to tigers32
I think chief does a good job adjusting to malzhan's gimmicks. The main problem this year is weak DT play. So his adjustments might not matter.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:28 pm to ForeLSU
Our safety is either out of position or deliberately ceding over half the football width of the field.
He should be lined up center deep.
Welter cannot give away a run blitz that fast. In the spread, the run blitz the way Welter is tipping it gives us no advantage for a run blitz or pass because the quarterback can make his read long before the snap.
Probably the blitz tendency when Welter is lined up like that is 90%.
He should be lined up center deep.
Welter cannot give away a run blitz that fast. In the spread, the run blitz the way Welter is tipping it gives us no advantage for a run blitz or pass because the quarterback can make his read long before the snap.
Probably the blitz tendency when Welter is lined up like that is 90%.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 9:11 pm to Tiger79
I think a lot of our defensive and offensive problems this year are purely personnel issues...
No DT's is only part of the problem, albeit a big one with QB's gashing us like they have been...
No DT's is only part of the problem, albeit a big one with QB's gashing us like they have been...
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