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Ezekiel Emanuel on CNBC discussing care in old age (Rationing)
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:52 am
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:52 am
This is the article he is talking about.... At first wasn't getting pushback, but now the anchors are questioning his motives. He keeps claiming this is only his feelings, but the more and more it talks, it makes you realize that this is his philosophy for everyone. Makes you wonder how much of his personal feelings were intertwined into the healthcare law.
btw, I never realized he was Rahm's brother
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btw, I never realized he was Rahm's brother
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As a result of advances in science and medicine, humans are living longer than ever. It's hard to believe that at the turn of the last century, the average American life expectancy was just 47. Today, Americans can expect to make it to the ripe old age of 79 -- and an increasing number live much longer.
Though many people welcome the idea of living as long as possible and watching their great-grandchildren grow up, some view the prospect of extremely old age as burdensome on both a societal and personal level.
In his controversial essay that appears in the October issue of The Atlantic, the prominent bioethicist Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel argues that longevity -- living into your 80s, 90s and beyond -- often comes at the expense of quality of life. Emanuel says he will be perfectly content if he dies at age 75.
"By the time I reach 75, I will have lived a complete life," Emanuel writes in the magazine. "I will have loved and been loved. My children will be grown and in the midst of their own rich lives. I will have seen my grandchildren born and beginning their lives. I will have pursued my life's projects and made whatever contributions, important or not, I am going to make. And hopefully, I will not have too many mental and physical limitations."
Emanuel, the director of the Clinical Bioethics Department at the U.S. National Institutes of Health and head of the Department of Medical Ethics & Health Policy at the University of Pennsylvania, helped develop President Obama's health care reform law. Emanuel makes it clear that he is not arguing for euthanasia or assisted suicide at a certain age.
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Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:56 am to Lsut81
Resources are rationed no matter what, but I will always prefer that it be done by price (free market) than by bureaucratic fiat.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:06 am to Lsut81
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Emanuel says he will be perfectly content if he dies at age 75.
Hopefully he gets his contentment granted.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:07 am to Lsut81
What a crock of shite. Hes saying people 75+ have nothing left to contribute or experience. frick this piece of shite.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:38 am to Lsut81
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he will be perfectly content if he dies at age 75.
Man I would like to talk to this a-hole when the day comes.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:40 am to Lsut81
Wasn't this guy the "brain trust" behind Obamacare?
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:44 am to CamdenTiger
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Wasn't this guy the "brain trust" behind Obamacare?
Damn right he was.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:47 am to Lsut81
From the article.
2) If you want to live longer it's 'Manic Desperation.'
3) I bet he changes his mind when he gets to 74.
4) Hitler had brain injured soldiers euthanized because they were a drain on state resources.
quote:
"I think this manic desperation to endlessly extend life is misguided and potentially destructive. For many reasons, 75 is a pretty good age to aim to stop."
quote:1) What they will argue for is withholding life sustaining treatments and medicines so that the patient can 'die naturally.'
he is not arguing for euthanasia or assisted suicide at a certain age
2) If you want to live longer it's 'Manic Desperation.'
3) I bet he changes his mind when he gets to 74.
4) Hitler had brain injured soldiers euthanized because they were a drain on state resources.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:49 am to mauser
That 75 number is only for us peasants
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:56 am to Lsut81
This can't be. "Death Panels" were made up by Sarah Palin.
She's a dumb, woman, "Republican".
She's a dumb, woman, "Republican".
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:01 am to Lsut81
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I never realized he was Rahm's brother
Yup. The "idiot gene" is strong in that family.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:07 am to Lsut81
That Emanuel family sure panned out, holy shite
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:08 am to SSpaniel
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Yup. The "idiot gene" is strong in that family.
cmon man - even if you disagree with their politics, that's pretty impressive to have 3 brothers reach the absolute height of each of their respective fields (all of them being different fields).
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:24 am to Lsut81
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nse of quality of life. Emanuel says he will be perfectly content if he dies at age 75.
5 will get you 10 he doesn't off himself on his 76th birthday.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:27 am to Lsut81
Also during the interview he kept saying "1/3 people over the age of 75 will develop Alzheimers" as one of his reasons to basically concede at the age of 75....
The anchor then turns around and says "Well that means 2/3 of people over 75 will not develop Alzheimers, so you have a better shot of not developing it as developing it" Of course, he didn't have a comeback
The anchor then turns around and says "Well that means 2/3 of people over 75 will not develop Alzheimers, so you have a better shot of not developing it as developing it" Of course, he didn't have a comeback
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:42 am to Lsut81
While I'm fearful of government rationing in any regard, I agree with his thoughts on the matter. People are starting to live a little too long in many instances. When I was in nursing school, we had to do a clinical rotation on a nursing home. These poor people were, for the most part, completely oblivious to life around them. They ate thickened, pureed diets and wore diapers. There were alarms in the doors so no one could wander, but it also meant no one could go outside whenever they wanted. And they were all on long lists of medications (usually 25-30+) that kept them alive. But medicine A causes B, so now they need another medicine to combat the side effects. We were charged with vaccinating them for the flu. And I couldn't help but think if this were me, I'd hope I got the flu or something to take me out. It was a miserable place and a miserable existence. No life whatsoever.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:42 am to TrueTiger
quote:THIS!!!
I will always prefer that it be done by price (free market) than by bureaucratic fiat.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:43 am to Jed Zeppelin
quote:I guessing he's going to "evolve" his opinion.
Man I would like to talk to this a-hole when the day comes.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:44 am to drunkenpunkin
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And I couldn't help but think if this were me, I'd hope I got the flu or something to take me out. It was a miserable place and a miserable existence. No life whatsoever.
It should be their choice whether they want to live or die.... Not the Government's.
Allow for doctor assisted suicides and let the people decide.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:45 am to drunkenpunkin
quote:I really, really, really hope you are never my nurse. Nor any loved one.
People are starting to live a little too long in many instances. When I was in nursing school
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