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There are no long term problems with this team
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:04 am
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:04 am
We have solid, and in some positions, elite talent. Harris, Dupre, Fornette, Williams and Quinn are top rate offensive skill players who are seeing significant time as true FR. The rest of our WRs are RSFR and SOs. Same can be said about our talented secondary (with a few JRs thrown in). We have several guys on DL and LB that have not (yet) put it all together but will. OL has been a little disappointing in that it is not dominant (not sure why).
People who say the program is in decline are just wrong. This is not the year for a championship (and we may even go .500) but we will see flashes from the new guys who will build it into consistency next year.
People who say the program is in decline are just wrong. This is not the year for a championship (and we may even go .500) but we will see flashes from the new guys who will build it into consistency next year.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:05 am to Manswers
LSU has all the pieces to be a very good team.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:05 am to Manswers
Don't bring common sense up in here. GTFO
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:06 am to Manswers
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We have several guys on DL and LB that have not (yet) put it all together but will. OL has been a little disappointing in that it is not dominant (not sure why).
you can have 5 NFL read lineman, if a QB can't get the D to respect the pass, it will be very difficult to run it. I don't think our o-line sucks, I think teams are putting 8-9 in the box and calling run blitzes.
also a lot of our future key players played high school football under a year ago. Once they get use to college speed and strength I full suspect our team will greatly improve.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:06 am to Manswers
Uhhhhh, yes we do. The long term problem is a head coach that refuses to alter his offense to the personnel he has on the roster. He's making shot-gun/pistol/spread QBs run an under-center offense. It's one be square peg in a fricking round hole.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:08 am to Manswers
Except for a 1970s Big 10 Power I offense.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:08 am to Manswers
Love it.
Look, six years ago Dan Mullen's Gators put 44 on an inexperienced Chavis LSU defense. Saturday night, Mullen's Bulldogs put 34 on a similarly inexperienced Chavis defense. This pattern, while not always the most fun to experience as a Tiger fan, has been processed multiple times.
We've all seen what an experienced Chavis defense can do. Patience is a virtue. Cheer on these young'uns. They'll be fine.
ETA: I am removing myself from consideration for the position of ghost-writer on the John Chavis biography.
Look, six years ago Dan Mullen's Gators put 44 on an inexperienced Chavis LSU defense. Saturday night, Mullen's Bulldogs put 34 on a similarly inexperienced Chavis defense. This pattern, while not always the most fun to experience as a Tiger fan, has been processed multiple times.
We've all seen what an experienced Chavis defense can do. Patience is a virtue. Cheer on these young'uns. They'll be fine.
ETA: I am removing myself from consideration for the position of ghost-writer on the John Chavis biography.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 9:18 am
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:09 am to MightyYat
quote:"Blip."
Uhhhhh, yes we do.
- My Sidewalk Fan radar
I'll monitor closely to see if this blip is a mere malfunction.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:10 am to Manswers
we need to make changes to the d and i think we can be ok. 2010 had its fare share of problems and weak spots but we found away to fix it until the arkansas game.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:10 am to Manswers
That's fair, but other teams are winning with young players. There are several young teams in the SEC. Our young players are rated higher. So if we have better players it has to be coaching. It's no excuse for us not to look competitive for 3 quarters. The future is in the future we need to compete now
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:10 am to Manswers
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People who say the program is in decline are just wrong. This is not the year for a championship (and we may even go .500) but we will see flashes from the new guys who will build it into consistency next year.
Can't say I buy this just yet, the Auburn game answers this for me. It is not necessarily a win that determines this for me, it is the level of play.
I surely do not count the CRAP games like New Mexico St to answer these questions.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:11 am to ballscaster
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Look, six years ago Dan Mullen's Gators put 44 on an inexperienced Chavis LSU defense.
You have said this twice now and are wrong. Chavis was coaching at Tenn in 2008, You dont know shite.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:12 am to winston318
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That's fair, but other teams are winning with young players. There are several young teams in the SEC. Our young players are rated higher. So if we have better players it has to be coaching. It's no excuse for us not to look competitive for 3 quarters. The future is in the future we need to compete now
its a fair concern, but compare our NFL draft picks compared to other teams. The NFL draft has gashed this team, and we saw the effects Saturday night.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:12 am to dgnx6
quote:That makes 2008 the most inexperienced Chavis defense possible then.
You have said this twice now and are wrong. Chavis was coaching at Tenn in 2008, You dont know shite.
(Goddammit.
) ETA: Florida scored 30 on Chavis in 2008.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 9:15 am
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:13 am to dgnx6
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:14 am to Manswers
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People who say the program is in decline are just wrong. This is not the year for a championship (and we may even go .500)
I hope you mean .500 in SEC play. If we go 6-6, tDecline is very real.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:21 am to MightyYat
I am a long-time proponent of the pro-style offense we run. I don't really think Jennings would be better in a spread. I haven't seen him make good decisions when running the read option. He's a solid competitor who throws a nice deep ball with touch and accuracy but he has limited arm strength. His arm-strength might be adequate but Harris has pro-level arm strength and accuracy. Jennings doesn't make killer mistakes but has not shown an ability (yet) to sustain drives.
Miles has shown an ability to run a great program. Great coordinators want to work for him and he attracts elite talent. He never throws anyone under the bus, takes the heat and allows people to criticize him but then makes the tough decisions when necessary in a compassionate and professional way. That's what you want long term for a sustainable program.
People will always compare Miles to Saban and many will be dissatisfied because of that. Saban is not coming back and Miles will outlast Saban in football.
Consider Miles' success. People like to downplay it and say he didn't build the program to what it was. Other than the Univ. of Miami in the '80s when Erickson then Johnson left, what other program has sustained success with the next coach after a legend leaves? Certainly not Bama after Bryant or Florida after Spurrier. I also think about how much the U of Mich (I live in Ann Arbor) has struggled since getting rid of Lloyd Carr and thinking switching to a spread would take them from simply being a top 10 team to consistent champions. Well that hasn't worked and it's been a frustrating decade.
I think we just need to put this loss in its proper perspective. We don't need a new head coach or coordinator. We haven't failed at recruiting. We are currently inconsistent and see periodic breakdowns leading to big plays - the hallmark of a young team.
I plan to enjoy watching the new guys develop and expect a 6- to 9-win season this year and going to a mid-tier bowl. Frankly, their results are out of my conrol. I'd love it if LSU would play in a championship every year. However, it is not a "long-term problem" with the program if we don't.
Miles has shown an ability to run a great program. Great coordinators want to work for him and he attracts elite talent. He never throws anyone under the bus, takes the heat and allows people to criticize him but then makes the tough decisions when necessary in a compassionate and professional way. That's what you want long term for a sustainable program.
People will always compare Miles to Saban and many will be dissatisfied because of that. Saban is not coming back and Miles will outlast Saban in football.
Consider Miles' success. People like to downplay it and say he didn't build the program to what it was. Other than the Univ. of Miami in the '80s when Erickson then Johnson left, what other program has sustained success with the next coach after a legend leaves? Certainly not Bama after Bryant or Florida after Spurrier. I also think about how much the U of Mich (I live in Ann Arbor) has struggled since getting rid of Lloyd Carr and thinking switching to a spread would take them from simply being a top 10 team to consistent champions. Well that hasn't worked and it's been a frustrating decade.
I think we just need to put this loss in its proper perspective. We don't need a new head coach or coordinator. We haven't failed at recruiting. We are currently inconsistent and see periodic breakdowns leading to big plays - the hallmark of a young team.
I plan to enjoy watching the new guys develop and expect a 6- to 9-win season this year and going to a mid-tier bowl. Frankly, their results are out of my conrol. I'd love it if LSU would play in a championship every year. However, it is not a "long-term problem" with the program if we don't.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:22 am to MightyYat
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He's making shot-gun/pistol/spread QBs run an under-center offense. It's one be square peg in a fricking round hole
While I don't agree that the team has huge problems, this is spot on. Miles LOVES dual threats QBs, but then forces them into a system that doesn't utilize their talents. JJ is a perfect example. He was a guy that should have been running a spread/pistol offense with a ton of read option, but miles tried to force him into being a traditional QB and we all know how that worked out.
If he wants to keep running a pro-style offense then he needs to recruit true pocket passers (Mett and Flynn) and not dual threat QBs that are better suited for an option or pistol offense (JJ and Jennings).
I'm not sure what kind of QB Harris is yet. He looks like he could actually be a very good pro-style QB with some work. He has the arm talent and his pocket presence seems impressive.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:24 am to catholictigerfan
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The NFL draft has gashed this team, and we saw the effects Saturday night
That's no excuse. Players leave every year that's why we recruit. It's all on our coaches. They make big $$$$$ to make sure that the team is ready. We just weren't ready Saturday
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:24 am to Manswers
2012 was a down recruiting year so that's contributing to our current struggles.
Attrition to the NFL. This es contributing to our current struggles.
The recruits at DT are a disappointment. We should be seeing more production from Herron, Gilmore and Bain...of course we can't get Valentine cleared by the SEC. That is contributing to our current struggles.
QB play is lacking and exposes any weaknesses that we already have. Jennings has topped out IMO and he only does three things well (hand the ball off, listens to coaches and throws a nice deep ball) and one thing okay (makes plays with feet). Harris definitely has more upside but it's easy to see why he hasn't received as much playing time as Jennings. His inexperience hampers his ability to read defenses. But it is however clear that Harris has the most upside of all our QB's. Poor QB play can expose a teams weaknesses and good QB play can mask or cover for team weaknesses. It's the most important position on the field at every level. It's like the position of pitcher in baseball...it's that important.
The OL is under performing but I believe the OL whoas can be fixed and will be fixed. However without improved QB play, OL improvement will be more difficult. It's important that both positions improve together.
It's going to be a very long year if the QB, OL and DT positions don't get fixed.
Attrition to the NFL. This es contributing to our current struggles.
The recruits at DT are a disappointment. We should be seeing more production from Herron, Gilmore and Bain...of course we can't get Valentine cleared by the SEC. That is contributing to our current struggles.
QB play is lacking and exposes any weaknesses that we already have. Jennings has topped out IMO and he only does three things well (hand the ball off, listens to coaches and throws a nice deep ball) and one thing okay (makes plays with feet). Harris definitely has more upside but it's easy to see why he hasn't received as much playing time as Jennings. His inexperience hampers his ability to read defenses. But it is however clear that Harris has the most upside of all our QB's. Poor QB play can expose a teams weaknesses and good QB play can mask or cover for team weaknesses. It's the most important position on the field at every level. It's like the position of pitcher in baseball...it's that important.
The OL is under performing but I believe the OL whoas can be fixed and will be fixed. However without improved QB play, OL improvement will be more difficult. It's important that both positions improve together.
It's going to be a very long year if the QB, OL and DT positions don't get fixed.
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