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Fixed the draft lottery problem
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:21 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:21 am
Jus have a tournament with non playoff teams lose and you out
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:46 am to Druler
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Jus have a tournament with non playoff teams lose and you out
That's bad and you should feel bad.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 5:46 am to Druler
Accidental upvote
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:54 am to Druler
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Jus have a tournament with non playoff teams lose and you out
The concept of the draft is to help weak teams get stronger. So, you want to help the strongest teams among the non playoff teams to get the best picks. OK.
The system is definitely broken...but this is hardly a fix.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 7:58 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:04 am to adono
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The system is definitely broken
I'm not so sure of this. I don't think there is some big systemic problem that needs fixing.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:10 am to adono
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The system is definitely broken.
People complain about the Sixers, but in a league with an uneven supply of talent there is always going to be a handful of significantly inferior teams. I'd say the biggest problem isn't "tanking", but chronic mismanagement of these bad teams that get stuck there. I'd be for a rule where you can't have more than X top 3 picks in a row. Missing out on a top pick because you're too bad for too long might give ownership the extra incentive it needs to clean house. It also is ridiculous that Cleveland got 3 of the last 4 #1s, that should never happen.
Speaking of the tanking Sixers, they are rewarding their fans with a snazzy new 3D court projection system.
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This fall, the Sixers will unveil an exciting new in-arena addition that they hope will have the same effect.
As part of a larger set of changes to the team’s game presentation this season, the Sixers will join the New Jersey Devils and Cleveland Cavaliers in becoming the first professional sports teams in the nation to adopt the cutting edge projection-mapping technology permanently.
Image projection itself is not a novel concept in the NBA. In fact, the Sixers utilized the technology during the 2012 Playoffs. But this new system, developed by Quince Imaging, is a game-changer, projecting high-definition images onto a flat surface in order to create stunning effects that give the illusion of a third visual dimension. In the Sixers’ case, eight projectors installed throughout Wells Fargo Center will turn the arena floor into a 94-by-50 foot dynamic canvas.
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There's video at the link, it's actually pretty cool, just not as cool as not sucking for the foreseeable future.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:21 am to TigerinATL
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I'd be for a rule where you can't have more than X top 3 picks in a row.
This is the best idea I've heard yet. Honestly, I'd be okay with something like:
If you win the 1st pick, you are ineligible for the next lottery. Basically, if you get the 1st this year, the highest you can get the following year is the 4th pick, unless that pick has been traded prior to winning the 1st pick. That last part would protect teams who have traded for a future unprotected first from a bad team. If their pick is going to be traded anyway, the team has no incentive to tank.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:22 am to TigerinATL
that video projection system is amazing, thanks for the link.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:00 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:quote:I'm not so sure of this. I don't think there is some big systemic problem that needs fixing.
The system is definitely broken
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a league with an uneven supply of talent
Yeah, I don't think it's a major problem. They really need to get rid of two teams so there is more competition.
I do like the rule about so many top picks in so many years. Although it would suck if you were a terrible team and got top 3 picks in crappy drafts then missed out on a once in a generation player.
Although, a tourney for the bottom teams would probably be fun to watch. Although who would want to win? Why would you want a higher pick who might replace you? And what if your contract was up, why would you want to help the team win if you were leaving?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:25 am to Druler
Why can't they actually let us WATCH the ping pong balls? 
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:34 am to gjackx
Because that wouldn't fit the 30 minute TV format very well.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:51 am to TigerinATL
that would be awesome if they did it where all 14 teams had equal odds to get a pick and then go backwards from 14.
That would be fun/stressful TV but would certainly stop tanking. Who cares if a team that barely missed the playoffs gets a Chris Webber like Orlando did when it was equal weight?
That would be fun/stressful TV but would certainly stop tanking. Who cares if a team that barely missed the playoffs gets a Chris Webber like Orlando did when it was equal weight?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:36 am to saintsfan92612
Yes, I'm sure the players will go for a system where they:
1) Have to play extra games
2) That they aren't getting paid extra for
3) That helps them choose a spot that picks their replacement.
Sounds great for them.
1) Have to play extra games
2) That they aren't getting paid extra for
3) That helps them choose a spot that picks their replacement.
Sounds great for them.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:15 am to Druler
I would go as far as saying tanking is a form of cheating. Here is how it should be prevented:
1. Give all teams in the lottery an equal chance to win the top pick.
2. Include in the lottery playoff seeds 5-8 from both conferences.
Take the Trailblazers as an example. They are an exciting team who are trying like heck to win, but are at a disadvantage in signing free-agents that could put them over the hump, because they are from a smaller market. To me, they are more deserving of a franchise-type player than a team like the 76ers, who are cheating the system by intentionally trying to lose. People need to get out of the mindset that being bad automatically makes a team the most deserving of a top draft pick.
1. Give all teams in the lottery an equal chance to win the top pick.
2. Include in the lottery playoff seeds 5-8 from both conferences.
Take the Trailblazers as an example. They are an exciting team who are trying like heck to win, but are at a disadvantage in signing free-agents that could put them over the hump, because they are from a smaller market. To me, they are more deserving of a franchise-type player than a team like the 76ers, who are cheating the system by intentionally trying to lose. People need to get out of the mindset that being bad automatically makes a team the most deserving of a top draft pick.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 11:20 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:23 am to TigerinKorea
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who are cheating the system by intentionally trying to lose.
What is wrong with saying: "It was pretty stupid to trade for Andrew Bynum, and a core with Jrue Holiday as our best player is never going to be better than a lower level playoff team, we need to start over." I will grant you that Philly with the extended, multi year intentional sucking is out of line, but in general hitting the reset button and tearing down your team to rebuild is not the same thing as tanking. Should a team be penalized for setting their sites on championships rather than 1st round exits? What you're proposing rewards 1st round exits or just missing the playoffs and punishes swinging for the fences. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer on which philosophy is better, but I do think hitting the reset button is wrongly vilified and "tanking" is not nearly the problem it's made out to be.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:53 am to TigerinATL
I agree. I just think that teams should have to think twice about hitting the reset button, and they should be forced to do it as intelligently as possible, with the goal of winning being taken into account. About the playoff teams being included in the lottery, I just think the higher seeded playoff teams like the Thunder, the Spurs, and other teams that won home court have no business being in the lottery, but teams like Charlotte and Portland are deserving of a jolt to give their fans more hope, and make that middle tier a better place to be.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 11:55 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:31 pm to Druler
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tanking
What Hinkie is doing is not tanking. He's playing within the rules to win 5 years from now. People may not like it or agree with it, but he is playing to win. They are completely flipping that organization. It's not a pretty process. He thinks collecting assets in the hope that they develop or he can flip them for the next Harden is his best shot. I don't disagree. Doesn't mean it will work of course
Tanking is the Warriors sitting rookie Klay Thompson in games because they wanted to keep their pick. That is much worse than anything Hinkie or Cho in Charlotte have done
Posted on 9/4/14 at 1:53 pm to Suntiger
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They really need to get rid of two teams so there is more competition.
This won't happen
Posted on 9/4/14 at 1:55 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I'm not so sure of this. I don't think there is some big systemic problem that needs fixing.
The system is broken. The fact that only a few teams take advantage of the flawed aspects of the draft doesn't make it a functional process.
I do like the idea of putting some type of limit on how many No. 1, 2 or 3 picks a team can get in succession ...makes a lot of sense.
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But the current lottery is still significantly flawed, because it places too great a value on being the worst team in the league. The lottery is constructed under the assumption that if Team A has a slightly better record than Team B, it is truly a slightly better team. This is built upon another assumption: Team A and Team B are both trying as hard as they can, all the time.
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:53 pm to adono
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But the current lottery is still significantly flawed, because it places too great a value on being the worst team in the league. The lottery is constructed under the assumption that if Team A has a slightly better record than Team B, it is truly a slightly better team. This is built upon another assumption: Team A and Team B are both trying as hard as they can, all the time.
How many times has the worst team in the league won the lottery?
ETA - 4 of 29 (it's not as bad as they try to make it out to be)
2nd worst has won it 4 times
3rd worst is the big winner - 7 times
4th worst - once
5th worst - 5 times (more than 2nd or 3rd worst)
6th worst - 3 times
7th worst - 2 times
8th worst - 1 times
9th worst - 2 times
10th worst - 0
11th worst - 1 time
12th worst - 0
13th worst - 0
14th worst - 0
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 3:00 pm
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