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What would afford the police better protection?

Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:08 am
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:08 am
A go pro camera or a bullet proof vest?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72080 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:08 am to
Camera
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:09 am to
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Camera
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54209 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:14 am to
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Camera


For criminal procedures, yes. For bodily protection, no. Shouldn't actually be any reason for not having both imo.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72080 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:16 am to
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For criminal procedures, yes. For bodily protection, no. Shouldn't actually be any reason for not having both imo.
Which of the two is more common?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:17 am to
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For criminal procedures, yes. For bodily protection, no.

other than the fact that direct attacks on cops is very rare, the camera would aid in collecting evidence against those who tried

cameras protect the shite out of cops in a larger number of scenarios and are much more valuable

this is kind of a modern version of "the pen is mightier than the sword "
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72080 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:19 am to
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other than the fact that direct attacks on cops is very rare
There is a rampant myth that cops are shot at daily and have to fight there way through war zones. I guess movies could be to blame for that.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54209 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:22 am to
It's kind of an open ended question without "against what" being asked. Don't know about you guys but when stopping someone on a road at 2 a.m., I'd feel more protected with a vest as opposed to a camera. Like I said, both are needed for their own reasons.
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
16905 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:23 am to
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There is a rampant myth that cops are shot at daily and have to fight there way through war zones. I guess movies could be to blame for that.



So then, it makes sense to equip them with cameras. Why do we always hear of police organizations raising money for bullet proof vests and not cameras.

I guess the people that use them think the vests are the better protection or is there some other reason to not want the cameras?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72080 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:25 am to
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I guess the people that use them think the vests are the better protection or is there some other reason to not want the cameras?
One has no downside while the other both protects the cop and holds him accountable for his own actions.

You tell me which one the cops would want.

Also, this tech is fairly new.
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 9:26 am
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
16905 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:36 am to
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the other both protects the cop and holds him accountable for his own actions.


Which explains why bad cops would resists them.

If cops had cameras and the public knew this, would this affect the actions of the public?
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
4653 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:40 am to
A vest could save your life. A camera could save you from some extra stress. Which would you rather have?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72080 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:42 am to
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A vest could save your life. A camera could save you from some extra stress. Which would you rather have?
Considering that one happens FAR more often, to the point where a cop could go his whole career without the other occurring, I'd go with the camera.

It's the smart decision.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:48 am to
A cam would afford us citizens more protection from the police. That's my concern.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:11 am to
Here are the legitimate reasons while cops resist camera's:

1) First, and foremost, you are telling mostly Type-A personalities that we do not trust you and because of this everything you do must be videoed to prove you did it right.

2) Fear that our word and testimony is being disregarded and that in the public perception and court system it will become if it ain't on video it didn't happen.

Its the idea that a cop that doesn't have any giglio problems in his background that his word is not sufficient or holds less weight than a normal citizen.

3) Fear that device malfunction or simply honestly forgetting to turn the camera on will be used against them.

Believe it or not police work involves a lot of stressful situations and it is easy to forget to hit the record button sometimes.

4) Nit picky disciplinary action due to it.

For example, you ever discuss the bosses trophy wife's brand new boobs, or how much of a prick you supervisor is, or how bout just shite talking to a co-working in good humor.

Should you get jammed up because this gets caught on video?


How many of ya'll would be comfortable wearing a camera and having everything you do recorded for your supervisor/boss/company to check?


Just my observations. Thoughts?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72080 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:14 am to
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How many of ya'll would be comfortable wearing a camera and having everything you do recorded for your supervisor/boss/company to check?
How many of us are given the ability to physically assault US citizens?

With great power comes great responsibility.
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 10:15 am
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:17 am to
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How many of us are given the ability to physically assault US citizens?


According to the 2nd amendment.....all us.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66503 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:26 am to
Safer? Vest.

I don't know how a camera is going to save their life from a bullet.
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:47 am to
cops are completely out of control and the danger from firearms to them is minimal....

46 traffic fatalities, 33 by firearms, lowest since wild west

20% of seattle homicides by cops

cops kill about 400 per year
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 11:49 am
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:54 am to
Around 150 officers are killed on average a year in the US, and 450 civilians are killed on average by police. Using these averages an encounter is almost 4 times more dangerous for the civilian as the cop. Which group seems to need the protection more? Perhaps the cop should provide a vest to the civilian before any other action takes place. ( I KID). The cameras should be mandatory for the protection of everyone cop and civilian alike. As far as random shite being picked up on camera it is a non issue, the video would be deleted after a certain period of time without any reported incident. And no one has enough free time to review hours of video looking for innocuous comments.
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