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Football Talk - CBs and when to "turn your head"
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:02 pm
Pretty good article. LINK
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The coverage was there. Jean-Baptiste was is position to make a play but he failed to even raise an arm or swat at the ball. Did he know Ryan Griffin’s pass was dropping over his shoulder into the hands of Toon?
It’s impossible to know the answer, but one fan in attendance at The Greenbrier spoke for everyone by saying “turn your head” as the play concluded. It seems like an easy solution, but would it have been the right move?
The answer is complicated. There are times when the New Orleans Saints’ cornerbacks are instructed to turn around and go after the football. There are also times when they are told to read the receiver and play his hands. Which way they are asked to defend depends on what happens during the route, and the answer usually emerges seconds after the ball is snapped. If the cornerback sticks with the receiver he is supposed to turn around and attempt to receive the ball at the top of the route. If he is even a step behind -- or out of phase -- then he asked to play the receiver.
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Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:11 pm to SaintEB
When SJB was scored on during the first game, I was irate at my TV. I've never played organized football in pads, but I played plenty of backyard no pads tackle football and usually covered the best receiver on the field. That doesn't mean shite from shinola to you guys, but I never once thought it was a good idea not to locate the ball.
Add to that, if you're in the endzone and your man is running a route where you know it's just a jump ball, play the fricking ball and you probably won't get flagged. This thing where they don't turn around and look lost the entire time is maddening to watch and is never, ever effective.
Add to that, if you're in the endzone and your man is running a route where you know it's just a jump ball, play the fricking ball and you probably won't get flagged. This thing where they don't turn around and look lost the entire time is maddening to watch and is never, ever effective.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:14 pm to The Sad Banana
In case you didn't read the article, that play came up in specific. What SJB did was wrong. In that instance, he was supposed to turn for the ball. He was step for step with Stedman Bailey and was "in phase". Its a learning process.
Today in practice, Toon caught one on him. Toon burnt him off the line. A fan yelled "turn your head" when, in fact, SJB was not supposed to. He screwed up off the line, but did the right thing by just trying to catch Toon for a tackle, instead of letting him score.
Today in practice, Toon caught one on him. Toon burnt him off the line. A fan yelled "turn your head" when, in fact, SJB was not supposed to. He screwed up off the line, but did the right thing by just trying to catch Toon for a tackle, instead of letting him score.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:16 pm to SaintEB
I can't quite remember but did they change the rule about it being an automatic PI if you don't play the ball and turn your head around? I thought I saw where they got rid of that rule.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:18 pm to Melvin
If there's contact.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:22 pm to Patrick O Rly
Right so if the cb doesn't turn around and throws his arms up to knock it away and he doesn't hit the wr it's no flag?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:23 pm to Melvin
Right.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:37 pm to SaintEB
quote:
In case you didn't read the article, that play came up in specific. What SJB did was wrong. In that instance, he was supposed to turn for the ball. He was step for step with Stedman Bailey and was "in phase". Its a learning process.
This.
He had decent coverage on Bailey and was in position to possibly make a play on the ball. But he was kinda caught in no mans land with the way he was trying to turn and locate the ball.
Once he gets the speed of the NFL down and used to playing against NFL WRs and NFL QBs that can accurately make every pass, the technique and awareness will come with it.
SJB has a lot of talent and potential. But it is his rookie year. Hes a raw player and will have his ups and downs this year, just like 99% of all rookies do. I just wanna see him come back and make a play after making a mistake or getting beat and learn from that mistake and doing everything he can do to not make the same mistake again. Because mistakes are gonna happen, for every single playing in the NFL
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:38 pm to SaintEB
Being a CB must be a bitch.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:40 pm to SaintEB
On pass plays where you are running with the back of your head to the qb your best chance is to run with the receiver and watch for his reaction then turn;
That's what I was taught in High School.
That's what I was taught in High School.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:43 pm to Hoodoo Man
I think it's the most physically difficult position in the game.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:48 pm to Hoodoo Man
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Being a CB must be a bitch.
about the only time I feel like really being critical of them these days are if they are just totally out of position.
most of the time, the corner isn't going to even win the jump ball either. A lot of these WRs are just too big.
also the back shoulder pass from the QB to the WR has to be a real pain to defend.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:52 pm to LooseCannon22282
quote:Which is why I couldn't really get upset with Greer giving up that td pass against the Pats. He was in almost perfect position, Brady just put it exactly where he had to.
most of the time, the corner isn't going to even win the jump ball either. A lot of these WRs are just too big.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:52 pm to LooseCannon22282
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about the only time I feel like really being critical of them these days are if they are just totally out of position.
And even thats hard to be sure. Also, with the rules favoring the WR, I'm sure its a challenging position to play.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 3:53 pm to Melvin
it is and mentally as well, but its fun as hell to play
when you're in phase and you get to a certain point on the field, about 15 yds from the line of scrimmage, you essentially become the receiver and look for the ball. out of phase meaning you're playing the wr's body, reading his eyes or his arms
SJB seems like he has the tools and the size to learn, experience and good coaching on top of that is going to help him realize his potential IMO. definitely a position that takes experience to get results for most players
i didnt read the article or stay at holiday inn express on carondelet, but thats the only position i ever played.
sign me up, corch
when you're in phase and you get to a certain point on the field, about 15 yds from the line of scrimmage, you essentially become the receiver and look for the ball. out of phase meaning you're playing the wr's body, reading his eyes or his arms
SJB seems like he has the tools and the size to learn, experience and good coaching on top of that is going to help him realize his potential IMO. definitely a position that takes experience to get results for most players
i didnt read the article or stay at holiday inn express on carondelet, but thats the only position i ever played.
sign me up, corch
Posted on 8/12/14 at 7:30 pm to The Sad Banana
Well I played DB in HS. SS a little corner but was moved to SS becuase I was not good in one on one coverage. That was 30 years ago in HS when there were no spread teams. Corner is one of the hardest positions to play, if he has the natural ball skils and speed he'll get there. I had neither. 
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:08 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:
When SJB was scored on during the first game, I was irate at my TV. I've never played organized football in pads, but I played plenty of backyard no pads tackle football and usually covered the best receiver on the field. That doesn't mean shite from shinola to you guys, but I never once thought it was a good idea not to locate the ball.
Add to that, if you're in the endzone and your man is running a route where you know it's just a jump ball, play the fricking ball and you probably won't get flagged. This thing where they don't turn around and look lost the entire time is maddening to watch and is never, ever effective.
If coach would have put you in during the 4th quarter, ya'll would have won state..........
Right?
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