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The Obama - Romney Debates, two years later
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:13 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:13 am
Iraq:
In the 2012 debates, Romney warned that Obama’s failure to secure an agreement to keep a residual military force in Iraq would threaten the U.S. gains made. “America’s ability to influence events for the better in Iraq has been undermined by the abrupt withdrawal of our entire troop presence,” Romney stated. In the vacuum left by the departure of the US military, ISIS arose and made great gains. The atrocities they have committed have brought us back to Iraq (in a limited fashion).
Russia:
In the 2012 debates, Obama mocked Romney for calling Russia America’s top geopolitical foe. Today, Russia has taken Crimea from Ukraine, funds and provides weapons and men to Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine and will probably invade the country. President Vladimir Putin meddles in the Mideast, seeks to expand Moscow’s clout in Latin America, and harbors renegade Edward Snowden.
Veterans' healthcare:
In 2011 Romney brought up the idea of giving veterans a voucher to obtain medical care they could not get at a Veterans Administration hospital. This year saw the VA scandal reveal that long waiting lists for hospital treatment were hidden. Legislation Obama signed this week allows vets to seek help outside the VA system.
Economics:
Romney stated that the nation’s outdated, complex tax code encouraged U.S. corporations to park assets overseas and invest in other countries. He recommended tax reform to keep that money and business in America and boost the economy. Various members of the Left have submitted bills to penalize the behavior (some would even seek to do so retroactively) instead of incentivizing a change in the behavior.
With all this said, I'm not wanting Romney to run again. His predecessor to the ACA is more than enough reason for that. What this is for is to show just how wrong a choice we made. Instead of choosing the candidate with the better grasp on issues, we opted for glib charisma with no workable ideas. It wasn't a Presidential election nearly so much as it was a popularity contest, and the guy that won has been a loss for the country.
In the 2012 debates, Romney warned that Obama’s failure to secure an agreement to keep a residual military force in Iraq would threaten the U.S. gains made. “America’s ability to influence events for the better in Iraq has been undermined by the abrupt withdrawal of our entire troop presence,” Romney stated. In the vacuum left by the departure of the US military, ISIS arose and made great gains. The atrocities they have committed have brought us back to Iraq (in a limited fashion).
Russia:
In the 2012 debates, Obama mocked Romney for calling Russia America’s top geopolitical foe. Today, Russia has taken Crimea from Ukraine, funds and provides weapons and men to Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine and will probably invade the country. President Vladimir Putin meddles in the Mideast, seeks to expand Moscow’s clout in Latin America, and harbors renegade Edward Snowden.
Veterans' healthcare:
In 2011 Romney brought up the idea of giving veterans a voucher to obtain medical care they could not get at a Veterans Administration hospital. This year saw the VA scandal reveal that long waiting lists for hospital treatment were hidden. Legislation Obama signed this week allows vets to seek help outside the VA system.
Economics:
Romney stated that the nation’s outdated, complex tax code encouraged U.S. corporations to park assets overseas and invest in other countries. He recommended tax reform to keep that money and business in America and boost the economy. Various members of the Left have submitted bills to penalize the behavior (some would even seek to do so retroactively) instead of incentivizing a change in the behavior.
With all this said, I'm not wanting Romney to run again. His predecessor to the ACA is more than enough reason for that. What this is for is to show just how wrong a choice we made. Instead of choosing the candidate with the better grasp on issues, we opted for glib charisma with no workable ideas. It wasn't a Presidential election nearly so much as it was a popularity contest, and the guy that won has been a loss for the country.
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Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:15 am to Bard
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With all this said, I'm not wanting Romney to run again. His predecessor to the ACA is more than enough reason for that. What this is for is to show just how wrong a choice we made. Instead of choosing the candidate with the better grasp on issues, we opted for glib charisma with no workable ideas. It wasn't a Presidential election nearly so much as it was a popularity contest, and the guy that won has been a loss for the country.
Romney needs to be either SecTreas or head of either OMB or the CEA.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:16 am to udtiger
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Romney needs to be either SecTreas or head of either OMB or the CEA.
Quoted for truth
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:22 am to Bard
quote:Romney wouldn't have done anything different, except perhaps putting more troops back on the ground earlier... which would have been a mistake IMO.
Iraq:
quote:Romney wouldn't have done any different.
Russia:
quote:This is an easy solution, but without legislation coming up it doesn't matter. Do you know what Obama's position on this was back then?
Veterans' healthcare:
quote:Romney hasn't given any details on the loopholes he was going to eliminate or anything else for that matter. Yes, I believe he would have given huge tax breaks to business at the expense of social security, medicare, and medicaid. I have no reason to believe this would have prevented ANY businesses from leaving the US. It may have sped it up.
Economics:
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:23 am to Bard
We had an election with one candidate basing his agenda on facts, the other one based his agenda on dreams.
The dreamer won, twice. Go figure.
The dreamer won, twice. Go figure.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:24 am to mmcgrath
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Romney wouldn't have done anything different
I don't see how you can say that. On the one hand you have someone who clearly understands and outlines the problems. On the other you have someone who dismisses there is even a problem to address.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:25 am to C
Romney would be a great cabinet member like Treasury Secretary, but I don't want him as Pres
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:28 am to Homesick Tiger
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The dreamer won, twice. Go figure.
And the dreamer is planning on legalizing the "Dreamers" on top of that.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:29 am to C
quote:
I don't see how you can say that. On the one hand you have someone who clearly understands and outlines the problems. On the other you have someone who dismisses there is even a problem to address.
Regarding Russia it would make no difference who was President with the nut job Putin. He does what he wants to expand the Russian empire even at the expense of his people suffering and their quality of life getting worse. His ideology goes hand in hand with being KGB. He respects no one and will do what he wants.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Regarding Russia it would make no difference who was President with the nut job Putin
Do you think it's important for the President to understand this fact?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:33 am to Bard
wish I knew what to say besides
its a damn shame
its a damn shame
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:36 am to C
quote:
Do you think it's important for the President to understand this fact?
100% important and shows Obama and his team failed to really grasp who they were dealing with.
But it still would make no difference. Putin is a ruthless thug with little man syndrome, and people thinking Romney would prevent all of this are lying to themselves.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:46 am to Bard
Unfortunately Romney was dismissed as a rich white guy who was out of touch; but two years later who do we know now was out of touch?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:49 am to mmcgrath
quote:
mmcgrath
quote:
Romney wouldn't have done anything different
Romney wouldn't have done any different.
This is an easy solution, but without legislation
Romney hasn't given any details
The point is that he at least saw these problems coming whereas the incumbent not only did not, but at times ridiculed Romney for thinking some of these were really issues.
We can play the "what he would/wouldn't have done" all day long, but in the end it's a useless jerk-off contest because it's all conjecture. What isn't conjecture is that one candidate saw these issues coming and one didn't. And we chose the one who didn't.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:49 am to Bard
He got his arse handed to him, let it go.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:50 am to Bard
quote:
Iraq:
In the 2012 debates, Romney warned that Obama’s failure to secure an agreement to keep a residual military force in Iraq would threaten the U.S. gains made. “America’s ability to influence events for the better in Iraq has been undermined by the abrupt withdrawal of our entire troop presence,” Romney stated. In the vacuum left by the departure of the US military, ISIS arose and made great gains. The atrocities they have committed have brought us back to Iraq (in a limited fashion).
Rand Paul is in complete agreement with Obama. In fact, he wants to repeal authorization of troops in Iraq.
quote:I agree with Paul. 10 years in that Hell hole is enough. Not our problem.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/17364-rand-paul-bill-to-repeal-iraq-war-authorization
quote:The 1970's called. They want their Cold War back.
Russia:
In the 2012 debates, Obama mocked Romney for calling Russia America’s top geopolitical foe. Today, Russia has taken Crimea from Ukraine, funds and provides weapons and men to Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine and will probably invade the country. President Vladimir Putin meddles in the Mideast, seeks to expand Moscow’s clout in Latin America, and harbors renegade Edward Snowden.
quote:LINK
Veterans' healthcare:
In 2011 Romney brought up the idea of giving veterans a voucher to obtain medical care they could not get at a Veterans Administration hospital. This year saw the VA scandal reveal that long waiting lists for hospital treatment were hidden. Legislation Obama signed this week allows vets to seek help outside the VA system.
quote:Then you better not support Rand Paul because he disagrees with all three points.
What this is for is to show just how wrong a choice we made.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:50 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:
100% important and shows Obama and his team failed to really grasp who they were dealing with.
doesn't equal
quote:
But it still would make no difference.
I'm not saying the world would be roses but in no way would Iraq and Ukraine would be in the exact same boat today with Romney as president.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:56 am to Vegas Bengal
@vegas bengal-you did notice that the link to polifact described the expansion of HOUSING vouchers to veterans, while the Romney plan was about medical care vouchers?
Not saying the housing vouchers were a bad move; but it's not really responsive to the claim that Obama has mishandled the VA system.
Not saying the housing vouchers were a bad move; but it's not really responsive to the claim that Obama has mishandled the VA system.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:57 am to C
quote:
I'm not saying the world would be roses but in no way would Iraq and Ukraine would be in the exact same boat today with Romney as president.
Ukraine 100% would be the same, this shite wasn't planned overnight. This has been in the works for years before Obama.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:57 am to Bard
Where's the gif of Biden laughing about Russia?
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