The Truth about the Vietnam War

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The Truth about the Vietnam War

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I'll ask my grandfather who did three tours not some bullshite 5min youtube clip.

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we didn't lose the Vietnam War, the Democrats lost South Vietnam.

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Blaming Liberals for not holding the south is an easy cop out. The north was just waiting for the day, if it came then or 3 or 4 years later. With the amount of troops killed staying another 5+ years was a disaster for a war we should have never been in. Should have learned our lesson from the French in the region.

My grandfather said the strategy from the start was bad and the mass bombing should have gone on the whole time.

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Look at the 1972 election.

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Look at the 1974 election where Democrats won in a landslide post-Watergate. They took over in January 1975.

South Vietnam fell in April 1975.

We never had a chance to win that war. The North Vietnamese had a population of 16 million to draw troops from. We could have never defeated them.

At least you've given up on trying to pass yourself off as an historian...

The reason the North came to the table and signed the peace accords is we were hurting them badly with our bombing.We should have bombed shelled and struck the North even harder, but we could not because of the rioting, protesting and propaganda sown and promoted by the left wing media. Sound sort of familiar?

It was mostly draftees that fought on the ground in that war, and our forces in the field won the battles. And when they came home, left wing animals screamed foul epithets at them, made threats and even spit on them.

That war was not lost by the military. American involvement ended with that treaty signed and we left with honor, goals achieved. Then, as the video stated. the left in Congress pulled out the rug from underneath the South. After that,the North breaks the treaty,because Commies gonna Commie, and we do NOTHING. Sounds kind of familiar once again.

I was too young to be drafted, barely, and I remember watching the end. And I remember talking to those that fought there and came back, and hearing about the gauntlet many of them had to run when they returned home.The Left showed who they really were in those days, and the Clintons can number themselves in that group of traitors. Flag burning gutless pieces of crap that mistreated those that went and fought.

I can remember thinking , Never Again. Never Again can we mistreat our soldiers like they were done in this war.And now we have ANOTHER piece of crap as a Commander in Chief giving pink slips to officers in a war zone. One that tried to cover up the mistreatment of our veterans. One that cuts their pay and benefits and slashes the active duty numbers at a time of peril in the world. I thought we learned from Vietnam, but I guess not.

Unless we were willing to go to war with China the best we could achieve was a stalemate. This is what people saw and it was not worth it to many to continue such with its high cost to the US.

We tried to over come history there as in todays Afganistan.

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It was stated clearly by NVA Generals after the war that we would have won at the Tet offensive but our military failed to press the advantage. They expended everything and lost almost everything they sent that night. Our press reported the Tet offensive as a win for NVA not a loss and a loss for us.

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"Useful Idiots" was the term used by Soviets of Liberals in the West who thought that they were lobbying for a more "just" America. The Media has been full of Left-leaning "useful idiots" for a very long time, with a short pause during WWII and in the immediate aftermath. Other than that, they have consistently sought to steer us toward socialistic ideals and have employed a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" tactic to weaken the Right and traditional culture and religion in America. The whole purpose is to move us closer and closer to a utopian, egalitarian, socialistic state-controlled society free of religion, moral/sexual restraint, work/labor, and any form of inequality EXCEPT for the Masters who run the whole System, of which they hope to be. Many of their goals can be considered noble (in a sense), but they are completely misinformed as to the depravity of human nature and they think that psychology and social engineering can accomplish their goals. Their meddling leads us into one disaster after another.

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It was stated clearly by NVA Generals after the war that we would have won at the Tet offensive but our military failed to press the advantage. They expended everything and lost almost everything they sent that night. Our press reported the Tet offensive as a win for NVA not a loss and a loss for us.

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And people wonder why I hate Walter Cronkite so much and want to find his grave so that I can go water the daises.

That is pretty much true. HOWEVER, the man doesn't make the case of why we were there in the first place nor does he attempt to rationalize our involvement there.

The most evil, vile SOB to ever hold the office of President was Lyndon Baines Johnson and his indecision, constant political concerns and just pure vanity are the reasons why we sent hundreds of thousands of 18 year old boys to war there and why 50,000+ died there.

The were was attitude in the country that we had to stop communism and that being drafted was something to be proud of. "Do what your Dad did and do your duty."

Eisenhower warned of the strength of the military industrial complex and he was right. They were the big money guys passing money around the Congress in the fifties and sixties. The CIA got more money the more communist they could find--real or not. Congress, led by people like LBJ, in fifties screamed and hollered about having a strong military and fighting communism. It was macho and politically important to one up your opponents on going to war.

Eisenhower and Kennedy resisted involvement in Viet Nam but the anti communists were loud and strong and the attitude was we had to stand against communism.

LBJ just let things blow up. More and more troops with no plans. The ego maniac said there was no way to win the war and then drafted another 500,000 men because as he said he "would not be the first President to lose a war."

We should not have been there.

Anyone that attempts to make a moral argument saying we should have been should explain why we ignored one of the greatest human tragedies of the late 20th century and that was the rule of Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge.

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Modern research has located 20,000 mass graves from the Khmer Rouge era all over Cambodia. Various studies have estimated the death toll at between 740,000 and 3,000,000, most commonly between 1.4 million and 2.2 million, with perhaps half of those deaths being due to executions, and the rest from starvation and disease.[59]

The U.S. State Department-funded Cambodian Genocide Program at Yale University estimates the number of deaths at approximately 1.7 million (21% of the population of the country).[60] R. J. Rummel, an analyst of historical political killings, gives a figure of 2 million.[61] A UN investigation reported 2–3 million dead, while UNICEF estimates that 3 million had been killed.[62] Demographic analysis by Patrick Heuveline suggests that between 1.17 and 3.42 million Cambodians were killed,[63] while Marek Sliwinski estimates that 1.8 million is a conservative figure.[39] Researcher Craig Etcheson of the Documentation Center of Cambodia suggests that the death toll was between 2 and 2.5 million, with a "most likely" figure of 2.2 million. After five years of researching grave sites, he concluded that "these mass graves contain the remains of 1,386,734 victims of execution".[59]

An additional 650,000 Cambodians starved to death between 1979 and 1980, largely as a result of the after-effects of Khmer Rouge policy

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