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Calvin Coolidge made ~70% more executive orders
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:57 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:57 am
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Posted on 7/31/14 at 12:59 am to Bayou Sam
irrelevant
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:00 am to ManBearTiger
We are truly living under a tyranny of historic proportions.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:02 am to Bayou Sam
Okay. And?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:05 am to Bayou Sam
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Bayou Sam
Do you have a point or just pointing out a cool historical stat and ignoring the substance of the EO's?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:07 am to Sentrius
I was "just saying," but you can compare to recent presidents if you'd like.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:12 am to southernelite
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Okay. And?
My point is obvious: we should dig up Calvin Coolidge's grave and burn whatever Saul Alinsky-loving mix of dirt and remains are left in the name of lady liberty.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:14 am to Bayou Sam
I don't think any Repuican has said has complained about the number of executive orders. I believe the issue is that he is using the few EOs he makes to side-step congress.
But please, don't let facts get in your way.....
But please, don't let facts get in your way.....
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:17 am to Bayou Sam
How anyone can defend Obama is really beyond me.
Candidate Obama would have already crucified President Obama for his overreaching EOs, lack of administration transparency, and lack of overall progress.
Obama made many promises, and has failed time and time again to deliver. Guess that's those mean old republicans fault though.
Candidate Obama would have already crucified President Obama for his overreaching EOs, lack of administration transparency, and lack of overall progress.
Obama made many promises, and has failed time and time again to deliver. Guess that's those mean old republicans fault though.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:21 am to southernelite
Really? And what are the "facts"? Are these the same "facts" underlying every other GOP temper tantrum?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:29 am to southernelite
Defending Obama when it comes to govt dysfunction and EOs is easy.
The GOP decided in 2008 that they would not work with Obama on anything, and instead would pretend that his policies amounted to radical socialism, which as any libertarian can tell you is utterly laughable.
Instead of thinking very clearly about things, and realizing that inaction is GOP strategy, nearly every GOPer I know thinks inaction is Obama's fault. Which is quite strange, since this opinion is precisely what the strategy is designed to ingrain in Americans. I guess that's a coincidence.
The GOP decided in 2008 that they would not work with Obama on anything, and instead would pretend that his policies amounted to radical socialism, which as any libertarian can tell you is utterly laughable.
Instead of thinking very clearly about things, and realizing that inaction is GOP strategy, nearly every GOPer I know thinks inaction is Obama's fault. Which is quite strange, since this opinion is precisely what the strategy is designed to ingrain in Americans. I guess that's a coincidence.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 1:49 am to Bayou Sam
What democrats have attempted to be Bipartisan? The definition of bipartisan is not going completely to the other side and letting them do what they want, it is meeting in the middle, something democrats did not do when they passed a health law without a single republican voting for it.
How can you claim this is a republican issue when the increased polarization in Washington is merely a reflection of the polarization on main street? Congressmen have one job- serve their constituents. The job of a congressman is not to go to Washington and let the other side do whatever it wants. You, however, appear to be pissed off because your side isn't able to do whatever it wants.
Oh, and by the way, you ARE aware that the people who gerrymander are the people who are members of the controlling party in state legislatures, correct? So your pathetic whining about gerrymandering, which happens on both sides, is in reality an attack on the decisions made by normal Americans.
The whole outrage over gridlock, however, is the symptom of a deeper sickness. We have grown to believe that increased government action and an increase in the amount of laws is somehow synonymous with the health of society, as if society cannot function without constant government authority. This sickness has come about because law itself has been perverted. Law's original function was to protect life, liberty, and property. Long ago, though, a great perversion happened, and government started plundering from one group in favor of another, hence the creation of lobbying, special interests, and the blurring of the distinction between functions of civil society (churches feeding the poor, etc) and state action. When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
Hence, in 2014, we consider it immoral when the government is not actively involved in society. It has become the great tool through which everyone seeks to take the pie of others. It has become the great fiction in which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else.
How can you claim this is a republican issue when the increased polarization in Washington is merely a reflection of the polarization on main street? Congressmen have one job- serve their constituents. The job of a congressman is not to go to Washington and let the other side do whatever it wants. You, however, appear to be pissed off because your side isn't able to do whatever it wants.
Oh, and by the way, you ARE aware that the people who gerrymander are the people who are members of the controlling party in state legislatures, correct? So your pathetic whining about gerrymandering, which happens on both sides, is in reality an attack on the decisions made by normal Americans.
The whole outrage over gridlock, however, is the symptom of a deeper sickness. We have grown to believe that increased government action and an increase in the amount of laws is somehow synonymous with the health of society, as if society cannot function without constant government authority. This sickness has come about because law itself has been perverted. Law's original function was to protect life, liberty, and property. Long ago, though, a great perversion happened, and government started plundering from one group in favor of another, hence the creation of lobbying, special interests, and the blurring of the distinction between functions of civil society (churches feeding the poor, etc) and state action. When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
Hence, in 2014, we consider it immoral when the government is not actively involved in society. It has become the great tool through which everyone seeks to take the pie of others. It has become the great fiction in which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 2:10 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 2:06 am to Bayou Sam
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The GOP decided in 2008 that they would not work with Obama on anything
And I am sure that fact that he took a my way or the highway stance from fricking day one, bitching and moaning every time he had to compromise with his agenda had nothing to do with it.
Nah.
Can't be.
Its all those obstructionist Republicans.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 2:09 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 2:30 am to Sentrius
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Do you have a point or just pointing out a cool historical stat and ignoring the substance of the EO's?
You're over his head.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 2:31 am to Bayou Sam
You can make a million executive orders, as long as they are buoying the existing laws
But ignoring laws as written or changing dates of laws as written is BULL SHYT MR. HAND MAN.
You people are so stupid with your idiotic conjectures and buffoonish comparisons.
But ignoring laws as written or changing dates of laws as written is BULL SHYT MR. HAND MAN.
You people are so stupid with your idiotic conjectures and buffoonish comparisons.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 4:03 am to S.E.C. Crazy
Did he ever just wave his hand and make millions of new citizens?
Did he ever arbitrarily fundamentally change a law that will eventually cost trillions and screw over everybody who isn't a mooch?
Did he ever arbitrarily fundamentally change a law that will eventually cost trillions and screw over everybody who isn't a mooch?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:35 am to Bayou Sam
How many bills are stuck in the senate with never being brought up for a vote?
The Ds controlled everything at one time can you point me to their budget?
Your ignorance is awesome.
Hate to break it to you but just because a President wants something doesn't mean he gets it. He is not a dictator and the laws were put in place to make things difficult not easy for the President to get what he wants.
The Ds controlled everything at one time can you point me to their budget?
Your ignorance is awesome.
Hate to break it to you but just because a President wants something doesn't mean he gets it. He is not a dictator and the laws were put in place to make things difficult not easy for the President to get what he wants.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:40 am to Bayou Sam
Obama is a POS
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:46 am to Bayou Sam
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Calvin Coolidge made ~70% more executive orders
than Barack Obama. Calvin fricking Coolidge. Just saying.
I have a friend who hunts and target shoots. He has fired WWWAAAAYYY more bullets than James Holmes did in that Colorado movie theater.
Just sayin'
To compare "number of" to "intent of" is asinine.
I'm not even one of those calling for anything in relation to Obama's EOs. But, JEEBUS.."____ used more of them" is silliness and childish.
In fact, I suspect that I fired more bullets in my lifetime than Sirhan Sirhan and John Wilkes Booth combined. It is the DIRECTION and AIM of those few bullets that are important.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:02 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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BlackHelicopterPilot
You sir, have a remarkable way of bitch slapping someone, and then just quietly walking away.
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