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Why won't the US and UK recognise the Armenian Genocide?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:09 pm
Started thinking about this again when Turkish PM Erdogan (who refers to the AG as the '1915 events' and 'so-called genocide') put out his statement on Israel-Gaza.
43 US states and Wales, Scotland, and the O6 recognise the AG, but both the US and UK don't. Obama even campaigned on recognising it but has refused to even use the term since his election.
Why not? For NATO? The USSR doesn't exist anymore. For support in the Middle East? They refused to help in Iraq, oppress the Kurds, allowed ISIS to strengthen, and have been disgusting regarding Israel (threatening Turkish Jews with reprisals if Israel mentions the AG, latest Gaza thing, etc.), and continue to destabilise Cyprus. Oil? No help there. To keep Turkey secular? Turkey's been changing museums back into mosques (and threatening the Hagia Sophia), been horrible with regard to the Greek Orthodox, and been enacting more pro-Sharia laws.
So, why won't the US and UK recognise the Armenian Genocide?
ETA:
From the Armenian National Institute LINK:
43 US states and Wales, Scotland, and the O6 recognise the AG, but both the US and UK don't. Obama even campaigned on recognising it but has refused to even use the term since his election.
Why not? For NATO? The USSR doesn't exist anymore. For support in the Middle East? They refused to help in Iraq, oppress the Kurds, allowed ISIS to strengthen, and have been disgusting regarding Israel (threatening Turkish Jews with reprisals if Israel mentions the AG, latest Gaza thing, etc.), and continue to destabilise Cyprus. Oil? No help there. To keep Turkey secular? Turkey's been changing museums back into mosques (and threatening the Hagia Sophia), been horrible with regard to the Greek Orthodox, and been enacting more pro-Sharia laws.
So, why won't the US and UK recognise the Armenian Genocide?
ETA:
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Tell us what the Armenian Genocide is.
From the Armenian National Institute LINK:
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The atrocities committed against the Armenian people of the Ottoman Empire during W.W.I are called the Armenian Genocide. Genocide is the organized killing of a people for the express purpose of putting an end to their collective existence. Because of its scope, genocide requires central planning and a machinery to implement it. This makes genocide the quintessential state crime as only a government has the resources to carry out such a scheme of destruction. The Armenian Genocide was centrally planned and administered by the Turkish government against the entire Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire. It was carried out during W.W.I between the years 1915 and 1918. The Armenian people were subjected to deportation, expropriation, abduction, torture, massacre, and starvation. The great bulk of the Armenian population was forcibly removed from Armenia and Anatolia to Syria, where the vast majority was sent into the desert to die of thirst and hunger. Large numbers of Armenians were methodically massacred throughout the Ottoman Empire. Women and children were abducted and horribly abused. The entire wealth of the Armenian people was expropriated. After only a little more than a year of calm at the end of W.W.I, the atrocities were renewed between 1920 and 1923, and the remaining Armenians were subjected to further massacres and expulsions. In 1915, thirty-three years before UN Genocide Convention was adopted, the Armenian Genocide was condemned by the international community as a crime against humanity.
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It is estimated that one and a half million Armenians perished between 1915 and 1923. There were an estimated two million Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire on the eve of W.W.I. Well over a million were deported in 1915. Hundreds of thousands were butchered outright. Many others died of starvation, exhaustion, and epidemics which ravaged the concentration camps. Among the Armenians living along the periphery of the Ottoman Empire many at first escaped the fate of their countrymen in the central provinces of Turkey. Tens of thousands in the east fled to the Russian border to lead a precarious existence as refugees. The majority of the Armenians in Constantinople, the capital city, were spared deportation. In 1918, however, the Young Turk regime took the war into the Caucasus, where approximately 1,800,000 Armenians lived under Russian dominion. Ottoman forces advancing through East Armenia and Azerbaijan here too engaged in systematic massacres. The expulsions and massacres carried by the Nationalist Turks between 1920 and 1922 added tens of thousands of more victims. By 1923 the entire landmass of Asia Minor and historic West Armenia had been expunged of its Armenian population. The destruction of the Armenian communities in this part of the world was total.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:12 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:Mitt Romney has a horse.
So, why won't the US and UK recognise the Armenian Genocide?
ETA: I don't know. Tell us what the Armenian Genocide is.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:20 pm to FT
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ETA: I don't know. Tell us what the Armenian Genocide is.
OP edited.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:42 pm to TN Bhoy
Interesting that the Kurds, whom everyone loves now, were complicit in the Armenian Genocide. The Turks used them for their dirty work, just like the Nazis used Slav auxiliaries in the Holocaust. Being a victim doesn't mean you can't victimize others, and vice versa.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:54 pm to TN Bhoy
And as of now, the US and UK don't officially recognize it as an event?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:54 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:I dunno if you heard but Russia is kind of acting out lately
Why not? For NATO? The USSR doesn't exist anymore.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 5:36 pm to TN Bhoy
How about the Assyrian genocide that took place in conjunction with the Armenian Genocide? These are the same Christians (Assyrians/Chaldeans) that are being slaughtered in Iraq. They are the original people of that area and there are virtually none of them left.
Very sad...
ETA-I wasn't trying to derail your thread, just pointing out that this is another group that the Turks perpetrated terrible crimes against. Their crimes against the Greeks and Armenians are much more well known.
Very sad...
ETA-I wasn't trying to derail your thread, just pointing out that this is another group that the Turks perpetrated terrible crimes against. Their crimes against the Greeks and Armenians are much more well known.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 5:57 pm to TN Bhoy
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Turkey's been changing museums back into mosques (and threatening the Hagia Sophia)
What's the big deal? Because it was a church at some distant time? You'd still be able to visit it, as the Blue Mosque down the road is open to tourists.
Both are quite spectacular and recommend a visit.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 5:57 pm to TN Bhoy
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Why won't the US and UK recognise the Armenian Genocide?
Because Obama is a muslim and hates christians.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 5:58 pm to TN Bhoy
Turkey is an important ally in the endless War on Terror. They serve as a base of operations - important air base. It's really pretty simple.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:06 pm to cwill
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Turkey is an important ally in the endless War on Terror. They serve as a base of operations - important air base. It's really pretty simple.
When is Turkey gonna give back occupied Constantinople?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:09 pm to constant cough
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When is Turkey gonna give back occupied Constantinople?
When you post something insightful.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:12 pm to cwill
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Turkey is an important ally in the endless War on Terror. They serve as a base of operations
Like they did for the Iraq War II?
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ETA-I wasn't trying to derail your thread, just pointing out that this is another group that the Turks perpetrated terrible crimes against. Their crimes against the Greeks and Armenians are much more well known.
I agree. The reason I'm highlighting the Armenian Genocide is that it is the one they use to threaten other nations.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 8:14 pm
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