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Time to stop pretending : 130 Environmental groups call for end of capitalism
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:07 pm
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The structural causes of climate change are linked to the current capitalist hegemonic system,” reads the final draft of the Margarita Declaration, presented at a conference including about 130 environmental groups.
“To combat climate change it is necessary to change the system,” the declaration adds.
Environmental activists met in the oil producing, socialist country of Venezuela as part of a United Nations-backed event to increase civil engagement in the lead up to a major climate conference.
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They aren't environmentalists...they're socialists attempting to use the environment as a wedge.
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:08 pm to CptBengal
Is this supposed to be new information?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:09 pm to kingbob
No, but their outright declaration of socialism should end any pretense.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:11 pm to CptBengal
If they want to avoid changes in climate,et them live in space. I hear the weather's nice year round
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:16 pm to CptBengal
Do these frickers know that the government is, by far, the largest polluter in the country? Do these frickers know that, historically, state-run economies have been the WORST offenders of the environment?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:17 pm to CptBengal
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No, but their outright declaration of socialism should end any pretense.
When you think about it, they might be right. Look at how sensitive the old Soviet Union was toward environmental issues.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:18 pm to Gray Tiger
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Look at how sensitive the old Soviet Union was toward environmental issues.
or China....
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:19 pm to CptBengal
And I bet you they all think that they know what is best for us and they should be the ones in charge.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:19 pm to CptBengal
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socialist country of Venezuela
The beacon of liberty that these bozos apparently want the USA to become. Maybe one day we can send our baseball players to Venezuela for a taste of the good life
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:20 pm to CptBengal
EDT: double post
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:24 pm to Alt26
Capitalism is doomed in the long run. You can't have endless growth without consequences. The solution is going to have to be something that humanity hasn't really come up with yet. It will be an evolution over the course of this century. Just like no one could have predicted the information age 100 years ago, no one now can really get a handle on what the world situation will be toward the middle and end of this century. Technology is a huge wild card. It seems to be progressing in an exponential fashion and will have huge impacts on agriculture, health, energy etc.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:35 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Capitalism is doomed in the long run. You can't have endless growth without consequences. The solution is going to have to be something that humanity hasn't really come up with yet. It will be an evolution over the course of this century. Just like no one could have predicted the information age 100 years ago, no one now can really get a handle on what the world situation will be toward the middle and end of this century. Technology is a huge wild card. It seems to be progressing in an exponential fashion and will have huge impacts on agriculture, health, energy etc.
Capitalism isn't doomed because of this. Honestly as far as growth, especially in population, free market capitalism is the best shot at the technological innovation needed to combat the upcoming problems.
Unless we find a way for better space travel to find other inhabitable planets..disease epidemics or world war will reduce the population to sustainable levels way before capitalism ever disappears.
The only other path is complete control of the people by world Governments..like Agenda 21 type stuff where the Gov't gives you everything in rations, and all you do is wake up, work to produce, and go home. Eugenics, food rationing, media control, etc. If it comes to this, I'll go down fighting before i subject myself to such a world.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:39 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Just like no one could have predicted the information age
which capitalism not only survived, but fully incorporated
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:43 pm to CptBengal
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Environmental activists met in the oil producing, socialist country of Venezuela as part of a United Nations-backed event to increase civil engagement in the lead up to a major climate conference.
Interestingly, some of the biggest beneficiaries of the natural resource economy are socialist states.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:48 pm to genuineLSUtiger
I agree with some of your points, but what system is better? I think groups like this need to focus more on how money works and/or what is an alternative to debt based infinite growth models. I disagree with you that "technology" will save us. Technology is really just another way to use energy. Once cheap energy goes away, the whole thing will collapse. I don't think it is decades away. I think it is years away.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:51 pm to CptBengal
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They aren't environmentalists
They're watermelons. Green on the outside red on the inside.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:59 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Capitalism is doomed in the long run.
Everything comes and goes in time but to think capitalism will like a candle burn out never to return is laughable at best.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:03 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Technology is really just another way to use energy. Once cheap energy goes away, the whole thing will collapse. I don't think it is decades away. I think it is years away.
Technology unlocks energy and that technology is getting cheaper as it's perfected. And eventually alternative energy will replace fossil fuels when either the price of fossil fuels becomes greater than the alternatives or the alternatives become cheaper than fossil fuels through tech advancement. You don't realize it but you're the classic malthusian that looks at the current snap shot of time and projects that forward without taking into account man's infinite ability to adapt.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:13 pm to deltaland
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Capitalism isn't doomed because of this. Honestly as far as growth, especially in population, free market capitalism is the best shot at the technological innovation needed to combat the upcoming problems.
Unless we find a way for better space travel to find other inhabitable planets..disease epidemics or world war will reduce the population to sustainable levels way before capitalism ever disappears.
I sorta agree with this. The earth will take care of itself in the long run, and wipe us puny humans off the planet.
But capitalism will continue to consume resources until such time there are no resources. Technology can incrementally improve our efficiency of those resources, but there is a finite amount of resources on the planet, and infinite growth is required.
honestly on our current trajectory, we are fricked. it will come to an end for quite a few of us unless we either come up with life saving technology or we radically restructure our society. The big question is when will it hit. One thing I have learned is that it takes a lot longer for things to unfold than one might think, so I bet the tipping point happens long after I am dead. And I will be dead, so I DGAF.
let's party! bring on football season!
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:13 pm to CptBengal
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Environmental activists met in the oil producing, socialist country of Venezuela as part of a United Nations-backed event to increase civil engagement in the lead up to a major climate conference.
the country where in the year 2014 citizens sometimes have to go 3 days without access to potable water??
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