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The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies
Posted on 7/16/14 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 5:55 pm
[link=( https://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html )]40 years of lies[/link]
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Convinced that “the Negro revolution . . . , a movement for equality as well as for liberty,” was now at risk, Moynihan wanted to make several arguments in his report. The first was empirical and would quickly become indisputable: single-parent families were on the rise in the ghetto. But other points were more speculative and sparked a partisan dispute that has lasted to this day. Moynihan argued that the rise in single-mother families was not due to a lack of jobs but rather to a destructive vein in ghetto culture that could be traced back to slavery and Jim Crow discrimination. Though black sociologist E. Franklin Frazier had already introduced the idea in the 1930s, Moynihan’s argument defied conventional social-science wisdom. As he wrote later, “The work began in the most orthodox setting, the U.S. Department of Labor, to establish at some level of statistical conciseness what ‘everyone knew’: that economic conditions determine social conditions. Whereupon, it turned out that what everyone knew was evidently not so.” But Moynihan went much further than merely overthrowing familiar explanations about the cause of poverty. He also described, through pages of disquieting charts and graphs, the emergence of a “tangle of pathology,” including delinquency, joblessness, school failure, crime, and fatherlessness that characterized ghetto—or what would come to be called underclass—behavior. Moynihan may have borrowed the term “pathology” from Kenneth Clark’s The Dark Ghetto, also published that year. But as both a descendant and a scholar of what he called “the wild Irish slums”—he had written a chapter on the poor Irish in the classic Beyond the Melting Pot—the assistant secretary of labor was no stranger to ghetto self-destruction. He knew the dangers it posed to “the basic socializing unit” of the family. And he suspected that the risks were magnified in the case of blacks, since their “matriarchal” family had the effect of abandoning men, leaving them adrift and “alienated.” He announced: “Negro poverty is not white poverty.” He described “the breakdown of the Negro family structure,” which he said was “the consequence of ancient brutality, past injustice and present prejudice.” “When the family collapses, it is the children that are usually damaged,” Johnson continued. “When it happens on a massive scale, the community itself is crippled.” Johnson was to call this his “greatest civil rights speech,” but he was just about the only one to see it that way. By that summer, the Moynihan report that was its inspiration was under attack from all sides. Civil servants in the “permanent government” at Health, Education, and Welfare (HEW) and at the Children’s Bureau muttered about the report’s “subtle racism.” Academics picked apart its statistics. Black leaders like Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) director Floyd McKissick scolded that, rather than the family, “[i]t’s the damn system that needs changing.”
Posted on 7/16/14 at 5:57 pm to Revelator
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He described “the breakdown of the Negro family structure,” which he said was “the consequence of ancient brutality, past injustice and present prejudice.”
Posted on 7/16/14 at 5:58 pm to Revelator
Dude you better watch out posting that or you might get fired from your news job.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:01 pm to Revelator
Not reading the wall of text, but Moynihan was a very brave man. He was shunned by the democratic part after that report.
I still hold that the 73% out of wedlock birth rate among blacks is the most embarrassing statistic of the Western World.
The problem is that a large portion of Americans (mostly democrats in urban areas) do not think the family unit is important. In fact, "family values" are regularly mocked even by the libertarians on this board.
We have a marriage crisis in this country, but it has nothing to do with gays. It has to do with the community that 600,000 white soldiers fought to free.
I still hold that the 73% out of wedlock birth rate among blacks is the most embarrassing statistic of the Western World.
The problem is that a large portion of Americans (mostly democrats in urban areas) do not think the family unit is important. In fact, "family values" are regularly mocked even by the libertarians on this board.
We have a marriage crisis in this country, but it has nothing to do with gays. It has to do with the community that 600,000 white soldiers fought to free.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:03 pm to Revelator
Strange given that American blacks are the highest percentage Christian of any single racial or ethnic group.
It's not particularly relevant to thread, but must present a conundrum for people like revelator.
It's not particularly relevant to thread, but must present a conundrum for people like revelator.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The problem is that a large portion of Americans (mostly democrats in urban areas) do not think the family unit is important. In fact, "family values" are regularly mocked even by the libertarians on this board.
If the goal was from the beginning to destroy the family unit, it's not very shocking to understand why this crucial aspect that leads to poverty is ignored.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The problem is that a large portion of Americans (mostly democrats in urban areas) do not think the family unit is important
You're painting with a pretty broad brush...
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Strange given that American blacks are the highest percentage Christian of any single racial or ethnic group. It's not particularly relevant to thread, but must present a conundrum for people like revelator.
How is this a conundrum to me? The marjority of Americans call themselves Christian, but don't adhere to Christian principles in their own lives consistently. The bible is very clear in its description of those who do such things, calling them false converts, tares in the wheat, seeds that fall on rocky ground, liars, deceivers of themselves, etc.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:13 pm to 805tiger
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the family unit
really no such thing in the African American community. Isn't it something like 70% of African American children are born to single mothers?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:16 pm to Revelator
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If the goal was from the beginning to destroy the family unit
The black family or all families?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:18 pm to jorconalx
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really no such thing in the African American community. Isn't it something like 70% of African American children are born to single mothers?
It wasn't always this way if one looks at the numbers and when that changed. And since the number of two parent homes was on par with White families in the near past, it's very hard to make the case that poverty among blacks is because of slavery.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:19 pm to cwill
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The black family or all families?
I believe the welfare system as it is structured has destroyed the poor family unit, black and white.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:20 pm to cwill
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The black family or all families?
All families but the emphasis has been on the black families mostly. Planned Parenthood was almost solely created to kill black babies from its inception.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:23 pm to Revelator
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Planned Parenthood was almost solely created to kill black babies from its inception.
and most of Planned Parenthood's supporters have no ide who Margaret Sanger is.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:23 pm to Revelator
will read after I get done looking at the Kate Upton bikini pics
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:25 pm to jorconalx
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and most of Planned Parenthood's supporters have no ide who Margaret Sanger is.
That's correct. It's not like her history or her views were secret. Nor is Americas past dealing with forced sterilization.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:25 pm to Revelator
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How is this a conundrum to me?
Because the higher the percentage of those who call themselves Christians within a population group in America, the more likely any given individual in that population is to suffer poor outcomes in life. Blacks and the prison population reside on the very bottom of that stratification, with the highest rates of belief and the worst outcomes as a whole.
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The bible is very clear in its description of those who do such things, calling them false converts, tares in the wheat, seeds that fall on rocky ground, liars, deceivers of themselves
Using this criteria, blacks by default have by far the highest percentage of false converts of any American subset. Why would you say this is? Could it be that that is merely an easy cop out to what on the surface appears to be a serious dilemma for the believer? Or is there an inherent aspect of black existence in America which leads to such a skew, and if so how would it be corrected?
Essentially, you must either admit there is an issue here or that blacks just inherently make lousy Christians. I'm glad I'm not on the side forced to make such a choice.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Because the higher the percentage of those who call themselves Christians within a population group in America, the more likely any given individual in that population is to suffer poor outcomes in life.
I'd sure like to see a link to back this claim up.
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Using this criteria, blacks by default have by far the highest percentage of false converts of any American subset. Why would you say this is? Could it be that that is merely an easy cop out to what on the surface appears to be a serious dilemma for the believer? Or is there an inherent aspect of black existence in America which leads to such a skew?
Jesus himself said few would make it to heaven so this is universal and not specific to any one race.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:30 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Why would you say this is?
I've always said that black people are too religious. They are taught that if you break one of the 10 commandments you just have to ask God for forgiveness. They use God has a crutch. That's my theory...
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
That's some scientific stuff there, Roger.
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