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Cooked Gumbo Z'Herbes a few weeks back

Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:17 am
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:17 am
The kale thread reminded me of the Gumbo Z'herbes i made while i was banished.

I used the recipe from Dookie Chase.

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1 bunch mustard greens
1 bunch collard greens
1 bunch turnip greens
1 bunch watercress
1 bunch beet tops
1 bunch carrot tops
1 bunch spinach
1 bunch lettuce
1 head cabbage
2 medium onions, chopped
4 cloves garlic, chopped
water, as needed
1 pound smoked sausage
1 pound smoked ham
1 pound brisket stew meat
1 pound boneless brisket
1 pound hot chaurice sausage
5 tablespoons flour
1 teaspoon thyme leaves
1 tablespoon salt
1 teaspoon cayenne pepper
1 tablespoon filé powder

lean all vegetables, removing bad leaves and rinsing away all the grit.

In a large pot, place all greens, onions, and garlic. Cover with water and boil for 30 minutes.

While the greens are boiling, cut all the meats and sausages into bite-sized pieces and set aside.

Strain the vegetables after boiling, reserving the liquid.

In a 12-quart stockpot place smoked sausage, ham, and brisket meats, adding 2 cups of the reserved liquid. Steam for 15 minutes.

While steaming the meats, place the chaurice in a skillet and steam until the fat is rendered. Set the chaurice aside, reserving the grease.

Purée all vegetables in a food processor or meat grinder.

Heat the skillet of chaurice grease; than add the flour, stirring constantly, for about 5 minutes, or until a light-colored roux is achieved. (The roux does not have to be brown.) Pour the roux over the steamed meats, stirring well. Add the vegetables and two quarts of the reserved liquid.

Simmer for about 20 minutes. Add the chaurice, thyme, salt, and cayenne pepper. Stir well.

Simmer for 40 minutes. Add filé powder, stir well, and remove from heat.


The only think different was that i didn't use brisket, i used about a 1 lb. of pork shoulder and i didn't use "chaurice" sausage.

It was incredible. Very time consuming but well worth it. I had trouble fitting all of the greens onions/garlic, etc... in a pot with water, to cook down. I managed to make it work.

Here's a pic from the bowl.

This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 11:19 am
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:40 am to
IWEI for sure.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:10 pm to
I haven't made it in a few years and I really enjoy it.
Posted by swampdawg
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:22 pm to
Damn that's a lot of ingredients
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:34 pm to
Over a third of the ingredients include the greens and you need an odd number and at least 7, as I recall. One ingredient is water and some are just dry seasoning. It's not really daunting. Just takes time to deal with the greens. I've made it using some frozen greens before. Quite good.
Posted by Winkface
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:35 pm to
Still haven't had any. Would love to try it one day.
Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:37 pm to
Sounds interesting for sure. As I read the recipe, I was thinking it was screaming out for a smoked ham hock or two.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:38 pm to
Damn...that must make a ton...and 5 different types of meat?
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:38 pm to
I have a recipe somewhere on this site, I think.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:48 pm to
This is the one I use. I haven't rewritten it in an organized fashion with my notes, though, so it looks long, but it's very easy to make. I change it up a bit every time. It's not a recipe that needs to be exact.

Here's my loosely based recipe. I tinker with it annually. This recipe comes from Terry Thompson’s Cajun and Creole Cooking cookbook, circa 1986. I usually make it for Holy Thursday and use 5-7 different greens. Those can vary. It freezes very well.

Many times, I add shrimp to what I'm about to serve to folks and sometimes oysters as well.


10 oz fresh or frozen turnip, mustard and collard greens and spinach
1/2 medium head cabbage, shredded
2 bay leaves, minced (I didn't mince mine)
@ 1 t each of dried basil, oregano and thyme (I use extra thyme as I like the flavor with the greens)
1/4 t allspice
1/8 t ground cloves
1/4 t grated nutmeg
4 quarts poultry stock
Seasoning mix of 1/2 t each salt, pepper, paprika, granulated onion and garlic , red and black pepper.
1 lb smoked ham, cut in bite sized pieces
1 lb lean pork, cut in bite sized pieces
2/3 c vegetable oil
2 large onions, chopped
4 celery stalks, chopped
1 large bell pepper, chopped
4 large garlic cloves, minced
2 T sugar
salt, pepper and cayenne to taste
@ 2 pints oysters and liquor
12 green onions, thinly sliced
1/2 c minced parsley, preferably flat leaf
file powder
cooked rice

Wash fresh greens; tear into small pieces. Remove large stalks and ribs. Place cleaned or frozen greens, cabbage, bay leaves, basil, thyme, oregano, allspice, cloves and nutmeg into a large soup pot. Add stock and enough water to cover greens by 3 inches. Bring to a boil and reduce heat. Cover and simmer while preparing remaining ingredients .

Prepare Seasoning Mix. Add pork and ham to Seasoning Mix. Shake to coat lightly. Set seasoned met aside while oil heats. Heat oil in a large, heavy skillet over medium-high heat. When oil is very hot., add seasoned meat; stir until brown on all sides. Remove browned meat with a slotted spoon; add to simmering greens. Reduce heat to medium; add onions, celery, bell pepper and garlic to skillet. Cool until vegetables are wilted, about 5 minutes. Remove vegetables with a slotted spoon; add to simmering greens. Stir in sugar; simmer, uncovered, 1 hour. Season to taste with salt , black pepper and cayenne. Cover; simmer 2 hours. About 10 minutes before serving, gently stir in oysters with their liquor, green onions and parsley. Cook about 10 minutes or until oysters curl.

Serve with about 1/2 cup of rice in each soup bowl. Top with file. Serves about 8-10.

My notes in no certain order.

Be prepared to use more chicken stock than called for. I didn't use any water.

I used more chopped veggies than called for, I'm sure.

I simmered the greens a good bit before adding the other ingredients. I also set the sauteed meats aside and added the sauteed chopped veggies before the meats and simmered them a good while before adding the meat, about 30 minutes before finishing. I think simmering the meats that long after having browned them could make them too dry. Next time, I will brown some of the meats and add some without browning directly to the pot. Browning them took some of the flavor from the meats. I used more meat than the recipe called for. Instead of 1 lb of pork, I used about 1.5 lbs of andouille and I could have used 2 lbs, easily, since I didn't add oysters to mine. I also used some turkey tasso, chopped, which worked well. I will do that just before serving, individually. I may also add some shrimp.

I think you could eliminate the meats and make this with oysters and/or shrimp only, if desired. You may need to adjust the seasonings some and boiling shrimp shells in a little water for about 30 minutes for a quick stock would be a nice addition for a seafood only rendition of this soup.

When using the pork products, especially the andouille, watch the salt and cayenne. Some andouille meats can be salty and highly peppered. Since I was preparing this for some pepper sensitive folks, I didn't add the cayenne. The andouille was nice and spicy. I added tabasco, individually, to my bowl.

Watch the granulated garlic and onion when browning the meats. It can burn or brown too much. It also caused the browning to take longer than it should have. I would brown the meat a bit first; then add the seasoning mix and saute a bit longer.

I didn't drain the veggies. There wasn't much oil left and I didn't want to sacrifice the brown bits in the cast iron skillet. I skimmed the gumbo of grease before serving and there really wasn't much to skim.

Check the seasonings after skimming; then add the salt, pepper and red pepper, if necessary.

Hungryone also has a version on her blog.

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Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by pookiebear
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:17 pm to
gumbo des herbes is not for everyone, hell I dont like it. But its gotta be better than a lot of the garbage you see vegetarians eating.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

Sounds interesting for sure. As I read the recipe, I was thinking it was screaming out for a smoked ham hock or two


Definitely couldn't hurt. The most time consuming thing was washing and cutting the greens. If you do that the day before, then making it really doesn't take long at all.
Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:33 pm to
Yep. I can see that. I'll plan to give the cocept a go one weekend....one where I can consume an entire pan of cornbread and not feel overly guilty.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:35 pm to
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an entire pan of cornbread


Required side.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

one where I can consume an entire pan of cornbread and not feel overly guilty.




I would also suggest getting your greens and vegetables from a farmer's market or produce market. It's much cheaper and you are supporting local. I went to southside produce to get as much as i could. Whatever elsei couldn't find, i went to Fresh market, where i knew i could find it.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:44 pm to
All the greens weren't that pretty one time when I made it, so I used some frozen mustards, turnips and probably spinach. Worked great and the flavor was there.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

All the greens weren't that pretty one time when I made it, so I used some frozen mustards, turnips and probably spinach. Worked great and the flavor was there.



It doesn't matter what they look like, as long as it tasted good, and as long as they weren't spoiled. My greens looked very pretty, but all of that shite got puree'd in the blender after being cooked down.
Posted by Twenty 49
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 8:52 pm to
I read a bunch of recipes a few years ago and borrowed the parts I liked. Came up with this. I make it once a year, and it makes a ton.

The smoked turkey wings are perfect for it.

Gumbo Z'Herbes

1 bunch mustard greens
1 bunch collard greens
1 bunch turnip greens
1 bunch parsley
1 bag frozen spinach
1 bunch kale, chard, cabbage, watercress, beet tops, carrot tops, or other available greens

1 large onion finely chopped
2 stalks celery
½ bell pepper
1 bunch green onions
4 cloves garlic finely chopped
1 tsp. thyme, chopped
1 bay leaf

1 link smoked sausage
2 smoked turkey wings (tips discarded)
1 tsp. thyme leaves
salt and pepper
cayenne
hot sauce (Crystal)
file’

1. Clean fresh greens. Cover with water and boil with piece of turkey wing for 30 minutes in large stock pot. Remove greens with tongs into colander sitting on rimmed baking sheet. [Do not pour the pot liquor down the sink. You use it later.] Chop greens fine (or use food processor) to get to size that can be eaten with a spoon.

2. Make or heat some roux in a heavy pot. Cook onions, celery, and bell pepper five or ten minutes. Add garlic, thyme, and green onions, cook another minute or so.

3. Ladle pot liquor into the roux mixture and whisk together. Add all to the stock pot, whisk together, and return greens to pot, along with spinach and rest of turkey wings. Season with bay leaf, cayenne, S&P, and Crystal or other hot sauce.

4. Simmer about an hour. Add sausage. Simmer another hour, or until greens are done to liking. Remove turkey meat from bone, and stir meat back into pot.

5. Serve over rice with file’ and hot sauce.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:42 pm to
Agree with you on the smoked turkey wings.
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