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Who the f&&k are you kicking it to? (long)

Posted on 7/5/14 at 7:20 am
Posted by Tigerstark
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 7:20 am
So, with a few days to sit back and think about our World Cup performance, I think my biggest gripe/disappointment and what I feel to be our biggest weakness at the WC is the number of times I had to say the above.

I think there are a number of reason for it, but I also have some questions about it for those with more tactical knowledge.

Obviously Jozy being out was huge. We defend with 9 and clear the ball to him to hold play up and allow everyone to push forward. Especially against teams more talented that us, thats been our strategy.

That being said, the number of times where our clearances, many many times with no direct pressure on our defender, went nowhere near Clint was very depressing. Is this an issue of on the ball skill/comfort for our defenders? They don't feel comfortable taking a look up and seeing where Clint is and therefore just kick it and hope? It was very frustrating to watch Belgium, Ghana, and Germany just put the ball straight back into our defending third.

A lot of times for other teams (club and country) I will see a defender clear a ball without looking and it goes straight to their offensive player (FIFA video game style). It doesn't happen every time, just with enough frequency that its clearly not an accident. So does a player like Robben for example(at Bayern under Jupp), have a set zone or place that he sits (along the sideline right at midfield) and teammates know to hit it there? Do defenders not know this as well? It seems it can't just be a static point on the field or else it would easily be shut down.

Back to the US - do we need to defend with 9? I think part of the problem, especially with Jozy down, was that we only had one up top (and that one being nowhere near Jozy's ability to do this part of the job) Thats a lot of potential ground to cover for all clearences. I watch Argentina sometimes defend with 7 and leave 3 up top and not give up goals(though maybe only against overmatched oppponents?)I watch several other countries do the same at times but not often. I see most of the better countries defend with 8 for the most part.

Wouldn't leaving two up also make the other team a little more concerned about counters and maybe not have 7 or 8 (at times) push up into our third?

Of course, even defending with 9, we're still give up tons of shots. But I think this is more about the game taking place in our defensive third for long stretches more than it is about our teams ability to defend. Our maybe our defenders aren't tactically sound enough to defend all that movement on a consistent basis without superior numbers?

TL:DR - why are we not able to clear the ball with a purpose like so many other teams and therefore retain possession instead of giving it straight back? Lack of tactics, comfort on ball for defenders, or too many guys defending.
Posted by FunkasaurusReb
Memphis
Member since May 2014
870 posts
Posted on 7/5/14 at 7:34 am to
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So does a player like Robben for example(at Bayern under Jupp), have a set zone or place that he sits (along the sideline right at midfield) and teammates know to hit it there?


A player like Ronaldo or Robben hang out on one of the wings and it's their job to initiate the counter attack. So, yes.

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Back to the US - do we need to defend with 9?


Depends on the team. Also if Dempsey is in the game with another striker, then we are only defending with 8.

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why are we not able to clear the ball with a purpose like so many other teams and therefore retain possession instead of giving it straight back? Lack of tactics, comfort on ball for defenders, or too many guys defending.



For the longest time the USMNT played nothing but hoof the ball down field and let our players (usually faster than any others in CONCACAF) chase it down and start counter attacking. Where teams in Europe and South America rely more on ball control and first time touches to work to ball down field. We relied on speed over technical touches and abilities for so long that I think it killed a lot of potentially good youth players.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
16148 posts
Posted on 7/5/14 at 7:40 am to
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Is this an issue of on the ball skill/comfort for our defenders?


Comparatively, yes. It's technical skill, and our lack of it compared to the best nations, where kids are trained in academies from a very young age. Ours have been playing kickball until they are 12, when they're tens of thousands of hours behind.

The old "run fast, try hard" style of soccer is still our MO, though you're starting to see improvement.

As for defending with numbers, some of our best recent results (2009 vs Spain in its prime, for example) have come when we defended our asses off and countered with pace. We didn't have that pace up top this time, and Jurgen also wants us to keep the ball more, even though we had horrible possession and shot numbers.

Basically, our style of play was built around Jozy's hold up play, and our backup option is what you saw the rest of the way.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 7:41 am
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
17823 posts
Posted on 7/5/14 at 7:49 am to
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Comparatively, yes. It's technical skill, and our lack of it compared to the best nations, where kids are trained in academies from a very young age. Ours have been playing kickball until they are 12, when they're tens of thousands of hours behind.
Although I agree that there is a gap in technical skill, I for one do not think it is that large a gap. The difference is evident in a player like Michael Bradley. He knows how to take a calm touch under pressure, turn, and make the appropriate pass (usually more so than demonstrated during the WC).
Posted by FunkasaurusReb
Memphis
Member since May 2014
870 posts
Posted on 7/5/14 at 7:54 am to
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Michael Bradley


The problem is that there is a reason why he is our best outfield player. We need to change the culture of soccer in America from just picking pure athletes to looking at players that possess the ability to trap the ball, make accurate passes, and has good vision. Bradley can do all that, but he is one of the very few on our team that can do it at a high level.
Posted by Tiger Phil
I see burnt orange everywhere
Member since Nov 2007
1585 posts
Posted on 7/5/14 at 8:38 am to
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Back to the US - do we need to defend with 9? I think part of the problem, especially with Jozy down, was that we only had one up top (and that one being nowhere near Jozy's ability to do this part of the job) Thats a lot of potential ground to cover for all clearences.


The trouble for me during the Belgium game was that all 9 of our mids/def were to close together when defending. If someone did win the ball, they had no one to clear it to, other than a Belgian midfielder or defender. We needed to trust each other to do his job a little more, so that Bradley, Jones, Cameron, etc., would have been in position to receive a ball that the defender won.
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