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Soccer question from a nube
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:10 pm
First off, not trying to troll, serious question from someone who watches soccer once every 4 years.
Why is OT not sudden death in WC?
I'm not saying its a bad rule, but I would expect it to be sudden death giving the nature of the game. Is this just one of those soccer rules that has always been or do the real soccer fans prefer to go the whole period?
Why is OT not sudden death in WC?
I'm not saying its a bad rule, but I would expect it to be sudden death giving the nature of the game. Is this just one of those soccer rules that has always been or do the real soccer fans prefer to go the whole period?
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Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:12 pm to jose canseco
As for sudden death, do you mean golden goal? First goal in overtime wins?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:12 pm to jose canseco
They used to do it that way, but now it's penalties.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:13 pm to jose canseco
It used to be like 20 years ago. I like that it isn't. Creates opportunity for even more drama.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:14 pm to inelishaitrust
This is the Wiki reason...I don't know how accurate it is.....
"The golden goal rule was introduced to stimulate offensive flair and to effectively reduce the number of penalty shootouts. However, it was widely thought that golden goal rules encouraged teams to play more defensively to safeguard against a loss. Teams often placed more emphasis on not conceding a goal rather than scoring a goal, and many golden-goal extra time periods remained scoreless."
"The golden goal rule was introduced to stimulate offensive flair and to effectively reduce the number of penalty shootouts. However, it was widely thought that golden goal rules encouraged teams to play more defensively to safeguard against a loss. Teams often placed more emphasis on not conceding a goal rather than scoring a goal, and many golden-goal extra time periods remained scoreless."
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:14 pm to BJones
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First goal in overtime wins?
Yes. Exactly that.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:17 pm to BJones
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The golden goal rule was introduced to stimulate offensive flair and to effectively reduce the number of penalty shootouts. However, it was widely thought that golden goal rules encouraged teams to play more defensively to safeguard against a loss. Teams often placed more emphasis on not conceding a goal rather than scoring a goal, and many golden-goal extra time periods remained scoreless
Does this board agree with that?
Personally I find nothing more exciting than NHL playoffs in OT. And I am no means a hockey fan. But the finality of the game play is exciting.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:19 pm to jose canseco
Much smaller field, much easier to score.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:19 pm to BJones
I would imagine that it also lead significantly to more injuries.
After 120 minutes of running the game just doesn't have the same flow, and players are trying to conserve their energy for the next game.
Probably contributed to too many players accumulating cards and players missing important games.
Assuming that they just kept adding 15 min to the clock after each phase.
After 120 minutes of running the game just doesn't have the same flow, and players are trying to conserve their energy for the next game.
Probably contributed to too many players accumulating cards and players missing important games.
Assuming that they just kept adding 15 min to the clock after each phase.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:23 pm to inelishaitrust
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Creates opportunity for even more drama
I have read some interesting comments so far, but this I tend to disagree with. Maybe its bc im a casual fan, but the idea that a country's dreams can be crushed at ANY moment adds to the drama for me.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:24 pm to jose canseco
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Does this board agree with that?
Personally I find nothing more exciting than NHL playoffs in OT. And I am no means a hockey fan. But the finality of the game play is exciting.
I definitely agree, I think hockey OT's are extremely exciting. However, in soccer, if a team wants to stop the other team from scoring, by sitting their whole team behind the ball, then it is extremely hard for the opposing team to score (ala what teams did to Spain over the last 8 years).
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:25 pm to jose canseco
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Personally I find nothing more exciting than NHL playoffs in OT. And I am no means a hockey fan. But the finality of the game play is exciting.
This is true, but they continue to play until someone scores (which forces them to attack)... In soccer you have PKs and weaker sides would try and take their chances in PKs.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:25 pm to jose canseco
Makes sense to me. A goal in extra time is, more often than not, a death sentence anyway, considering how rare they are. A "golden goal" rule can definitely encourage more defensive strategy. At least with the current rules, teams have a chance to answer if they give one up. Weaker teams will play for the penalty shootout anyway, but it still encourages more offense.
Also, soccer players are dragging after 120 minutes of play. A "play until someone scores" rule would lead to terrible quality of play pretty quick.
Also, soccer players are dragging after 120 minutes of play. A "play until someone scores" rule would lead to terrible quality of play pretty quick.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:34 pm to jose canseco
Anyone remember silver goal from 2004 Euros? That meant if a goal was scored in the first fifteen minutes, they would end the game after the first extra time period.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:35 pm to CheerWhine
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A "play until someone scores" rule would lead to terrible quality of play pretty quick
I have no problems with PK after a set OT period, but was curious on why that was the rule. Yall have explained it and I will take yall's word that it leads to more exciting play.
Am I to assume this board likes that rule then? Bc honestly, I don't. Ha. But again, I admit, I only watch during WC because I am in awe of the passion.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:37 pm to jose canseco
120 minutes is about the max that can be played with any kind of intensity. After that, a goal becomes less and less likely as both teams are just done and have nothing left.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:38 pm to jose canseco
quote:I'm fine with it.
Am I to assume this board likes that rule then? Bc honestly, I don't. Ha. But again, I admit, I only watch during WC because I am in awe of the passion.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:56 pm to jose canseco
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Am I to assume this board likes that rule then? Bc honestly, I don't. Ha. But again, I admit, I only watch during WC because I am in awe of the passion.
Personally, I definitely prefer the current setup to golden goal/sudden death. It creates a more natural flow to the game, but golden goal spawns a boring, bunkered in form of overtly defensive play. It is an unnatural style of play that is just not fun to watch. Yes, golden goal adds the drama for a spectator, but the sport is best decided in its natural run of play. Sadly, as has been stated, 120 minutes is about the maximum you can expect any human to play soccer, so PKs are a necessity sometime.
Oh, and a tidbit on PKs since this might get some views from people new to soccer. Technically, PKs do NOT decide a match winner. FIFA rules that matches which end with a level score at the end of extra time (the two 15 minute halves added on after the original 90) are declared to be draws. However, for the sake of the tournament, a team must be decided upon to advance. So technically, a team that wins the PK shootout has not won the match. They have just won the right to advance in the tournament.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 12:54 am to DoreonthePlains
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So technically, a team that wins the PK shootout has not won the match. They have just won the right to advance in the tournament.
That statement is as beta as beta can get.
They didn't really lose, they just don't get to move on to the next stage. It's all the same because everyone is a winner!
Posted on 6/30/14 at 1:20 am to foshizzle
Actually, no one is a winner. One just squeaked through because someone has to advance. Don't get mad at me though. It just makes for a fun stat.
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