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Immigration Court Meltdown?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:00 pm
LINK to AP story on 300k+ case backlog
So this has been brewing a long time but the recent influx of immigrants has pushed the immigration court over the edge. I believe this complete breakdown of the courts will create a push to fix it in congress. If the budget is increased and more judges are provided for them Obama will be appointing them for life. If he places activists then he gets defacto amnesty via immigration courts.
My short opinion of it:
I have had several friends get chewed up by this dysfunctional court system in the past. Previously the wait time was over a year if your case was rescheduled because of snow or the judge was sick. Unfortunately it is a catch 22 because if you stick around to go to your new court date, you have now overstayed your visa. If you overstay, the judge normally rules against you for that and orders immediate deportation.
My friends experiences:
1 friend was ordered deported ( got caught in a sham marriage, we told him not to do it).
1 voluntarily left after his case was rescheduled, which would force him to overstay and the judge was a hardass and notorious for deporting if you overstay even bc of the reschedule.
1 stayed and fought it in court, went through 2 appeals, first judge died, new judge looked at the case and said it was ridiculous to deport a business owner who had numerous employees and he paid a lot in taxes. Productive member of society.
It's an absurd situation some of these people are put in and more judges have been needed for a while, but no one cares because they don't and can't vote.
What do you guys think?
So this has been brewing a long time but the recent influx of immigrants has pushed the immigration court over the edge. I believe this complete breakdown of the courts will create a push to fix it in congress. If the budget is increased and more judges are provided for them Obama will be appointing them for life. If he places activists then he gets defacto amnesty via immigration courts.
My short opinion of it:
I have had several friends get chewed up by this dysfunctional court system in the past. Previously the wait time was over a year if your case was rescheduled because of snow or the judge was sick. Unfortunately it is a catch 22 because if you stick around to go to your new court date, you have now overstayed your visa. If you overstay, the judge normally rules against you for that and orders immediate deportation.
My friends experiences:
1 friend was ordered deported ( got caught in a sham marriage, we told him not to do it).
1 voluntarily left after his case was rescheduled, which would force him to overstay and the judge was a hardass and notorious for deporting if you overstay even bc of the reschedule.
1 stayed and fought it in court, went through 2 appeals, first judge died, new judge looked at the case and said it was ridiculous to deport a business owner who had numerous employees and he paid a lot in taxes. Productive member of society.
It's an absurd situation some of these people are put in and more judges have been needed for a while, but no one cares because they don't and can't vote.
What do you guys think?
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Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:16 pm to eng08
Deport every fricking one of them back to their home country. They can plead their case at the embassy/consulate.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:19 am to yumahog
quote:I don't.
Why do you keep bringing race into your discussions?
quote:Very.
I am curious, are you white?
Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:31 am to yumahog
quote:Because I think the immigration issue boils down to race. If tens of thousands of white kids appeared on the border there would be an outcry of biblical proportions.
Just curious as to why you said this.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:36 am to JazzyJeff
quote:
Because I think the immigration issue boils down to race. If tens of thousands of white kids appeared on the border there would be an outcry of biblical proportions.
So you believe in "white privilege"?
Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:47 am to yumahog
quote:Huh??? What are you talking about? Did you just pull this out of your arse.
So you believe in "white privilege"?
Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:54 am to JazzyJeff
quote:
Huh??? What are you talking about? Did you just pull this out of your arse.
No, your the one who brought white kids up. And to answer your previous post, race only has something to do with immigration because libs make it that. It is a damn strain on resources to have all these people coming in at the moment.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 2:04 am to yumahog
quote:But what does that have to do with "white privilege"? Again, did you just pull that out of your arse?
No, your the one who brought white kids up.
quote:That's a lie and you know it is. The republican party which is primarily white, conservative, bible thumping red necks, are some of the most racist people on earth. And they hate immigrants because they are NOT WHITE.
And to answer your previous post, race only has something to do with immigration because libs make it that.
quote:This is true but if they were white kids then costs would not be an issue with the republicans.
It is a damn strain on resources to have all these people coming in at the moment.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 6:41 am to JazzyJeff
quote:LINK?
That's a lie and you know it is. The republican party which is primarily white, conservative, bible thumping red necks, are some of the most racist people on earth. And they hate immigrants because they are NOT WHITE.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 6:44 am to JazzyJeff
Jesus Christ....can we just ban this stupid fricker already?
Posted on 6/27/14 at 6:54 am to Choctaw
No kidding. He makes me long for one of Rex's diatribes.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:15 am to JazzyJeff
What a Jazzy arse.
I hate to even entertain such a bullshite notion, and their race makes no differeence whatsoever. But to be honest, for as much as some try make spanish speaking immigrants into some kind of racial victim of prejudice, I have never considered them anythivng BUT white.
The videos of those kids at the "immigration stations" are heartbreaking, and it makes me really furious that our ignoramus in chief set this crap in motion (perhaps unintentionally). And I'm pissed at the parents who sent their kids to the US through whatever channels to face dangers unknown.
Shame on anyone who uses the race card against the only frickin adults in the room. Jazzy Jeff, you better have some destitute immigrants living in your spare bedroom, or else you're a big fat hypocrite.
I hate to even entertain such a bullshite notion, and their race makes no differeence whatsoever. But to be honest, for as much as some try make spanish speaking immigrants into some kind of racial victim of prejudice, I have never considered them anythivng BUT white.
The videos of those kids at the "immigration stations" are heartbreaking, and it makes me really furious that our ignoramus in chief set this crap in motion (perhaps unintentionally). And I'm pissed at the parents who sent their kids to the US through whatever channels to face dangers unknown.
Shame on anyone who uses the race card against the only frickin adults in the room. Jazzy Jeff, you better have some destitute immigrants living in your spare bedroom, or else you're a big fat hypocrite.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:24 am to JazzyJeff
quote:
Because I think the immigration issue boils down to race. If tens of thousands of white kids appeared on the border there would be an outcry of biblical proportions.
Racist? How white does a kid have to be to qualify as "white" in your scenario. I noticed many of those children are light skinned.
Shouldn't black or white kids grow up with their parents.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:29 am to eng08
quote:
What do you guys think?
I think I was with you until it became clear you haven no dea how the Immigration Court and Board of Immigration Appeals works.
quote:
If the budget is increased and more judges are provided for them Obama will be appointing them for life. If he places activists then he gets defacto amnesty via immigration courts.
I'll educate you so you can take your tinfoil hat off. Immigration Judges are not Article III judges, and they do not receive a lifetime appointment. In fact the IC and BIA are divisions of the Executive Office of Immigration Reform, which is overseen by the DOJ. The administration already has 100% control of which judges hear these cases! and they have the ability to shape any immigration policy they want - now. So, your premise is false, and if Obama wanted de facto amnesty, why don't we already have it?
As to your other point concerning Congress' attempt to fix the system, you are equally wrong. In fact, on numerous occasions, the IJs have lobbied Congress to create a new court for them, which would allow them to be independent of the administration and manage their own caseload. Congress has ignored their pleas.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 7:30 am
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:40 am to eng08
quote:
The Center for Immigration Studies released a report early Friday saying that according to government data, the net number of jobs created between 2000 to 2014 all went to immigrants, not people born in the United States.
The CIS report found that over the last 14 years, people who were born in the United States held 114.8 million jobs in 2000, and held 114.7 million jobs in 2014, a drop of 127,000.
But it’s an entirely different picture for immigrants — 5.7 million more jobs were held by immigrants in the U.S. in 2014 compared to 2000.
LINK
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:07 am to UncleFestersLegs
I'm glad one of you brought up white vs others. It is in fact easier to keep the Europeans out of the US than immigrants from the southern border. They are all stopped at the airport and never officially enter the country, they just get stuck back on a plane and sent back to where they came from.
If you overstay your vacation visa at all you will always spend 12-24 hrs in interrogation and lockup at the airport. They will eventually release you, but they will still hold you for as long as they can even if you have a round trip ticket.
If you overstay your vacation visa at all you will always spend 12-24 hrs in interrogation and lockup at the airport. They will eventually release you, but they will still hold you for as long as they can even if you have a round trip ticket.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:12 am to FalseProphet
Yeah I put the tinfoil hat on to try and generate more conversation.
Most of my experiences with immigration court are from talking to a few lawyers who have dealt with it and from my immigrant friends.
Overall I think we both agree the system needs to be fixed.
Most of my experiences with immigration court are from talking to a few lawyers who have dealt with it and from my immigrant friends.
Overall I think we both agree the system needs to be fixed.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:19 am to JazzyJeff
quote:
Because I think the immigration issue boils down to race.
only bc they come over and they use there race to get benefits and what not...you know like a minority
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:12 am to eng08
This is by design.
Make legal citizens and immigrants uncompetitive in the workforce via minimum wage laws and Obamacare. Check
Make the legal immigration system so bad that the only option is often illegal. Check
Create benefits with the claims that only citizens will be eligible. Check
Secretly (or not so secretly) allow and even encourage illegals to attain benefits once in the country. Check
Assert that support for programs that would make signing illegals up to vote or receive benefits more difficult is racist. Check
Hamper enforcement of immigration laws to prevent law enforcement from stopping illegals from crossing the border and deportations. Check.
Assert that any kind of enforcement, even fencing, is racist.
Openly incentivize illegal immigration by allowing illegals access to benefits since "they were already getting them". Check
Fraudulently sign illegals up to vote. Check
Now, use all of the social issues created by these manufactured issues to paint immigration as a "crisis" that can only be solved with more government. Check.
"Solve" the crisis by legalizing all of the immigrants...ongoing.
This is a 100% manufactured crisis created by a collusion between the big business interests that bankroll the Republican Party (cheap labor), the government (more people dependent on government, more bureaucracy, more government union employees, ect), and the democratic party (more votes).
As usual, those in the middle get screwed.
Make legal citizens and immigrants uncompetitive in the workforce via minimum wage laws and Obamacare. Check
Make the legal immigration system so bad that the only option is often illegal. Check
Create benefits with the claims that only citizens will be eligible. Check
Secretly (or not so secretly) allow and even encourage illegals to attain benefits once in the country. Check
Assert that support for programs that would make signing illegals up to vote or receive benefits more difficult is racist. Check
Hamper enforcement of immigration laws to prevent law enforcement from stopping illegals from crossing the border and deportations. Check.
Assert that any kind of enforcement, even fencing, is racist.
Openly incentivize illegal immigration by allowing illegals access to benefits since "they were already getting them". Check
Fraudulently sign illegals up to vote. Check
Now, use all of the social issues created by these manufactured issues to paint immigration as a "crisis" that can only be solved with more government. Check.
"Solve" the crisis by legalizing all of the immigrants...ongoing.
This is a 100% manufactured crisis created by a collusion between the big business interests that bankroll the Republican Party (cheap labor), the government (more people dependent on government, more bureaucracy, more government union employees, ect), and the democratic party (more votes).
As usual, those in the middle get screwed.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:29 pm to infantry1026
quote:Because race IS THE ISSUE. And you're a liar or an ignorant fool if you say otherwise.
Why in the hell would anyone try to insert race into this discussion about immigration......
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