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U-Verse vs Cox Internet

Posted on 6/26/14 at 7:52 am
Posted by txbd
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2014
2237 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 7:52 am
I am moving soon and wanted yall's input on this. I am going to get U-Verse cable for sure.

I currently have Cox cable and internet and its running me about $120 and I get no special channels and I think 25 mbps advertised but only get speeds around 8 mbps.

U-Verse bundle would be every channel and advertised speeds of 18 mbps for $94/month.

Thinking about maybe Cox internet with U-verse cable. If the internet speeds are somewhat close then I will go with the U-verse bundle because of the money I will be saving.

What should I do? Anyone have any experience with U-verse internet? Thanks in advance.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
77987 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 7:56 am to
Cox >>> U-Verse
Posted by ISDSTiger
Member since Sep 2006
5071 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:00 am to
quote:

Cox >>> U-Verse


just call Cox and tell them you want a lower price. As long as you're not in some bundle contract they'll work with you.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:00 am to
One day I am just going to try it out. I have no contract with Cox.
Posted by whodatdude
Member since Feb 2011
1375 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:16 am to
Had U-Verse for two years. Barely got 1 Mbps most of the time. Their internet is god-awful.

Amount of tv channels is decent for the price.

Edit: Had techs come out to check the signal and they always got 8 Mbps. Not a week after they are gone, back down to 1.
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 8:18 am
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
77987 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:25 am to
quote:

Barely got 1 Mbps most of the time. Their internet is god-awful.


Because it is essentially DSL
Posted by Murtagh
Metairie, La
Member since Feb 2008
2044 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:28 am to
I get decent speeds on U-Verse.

Posted by RonFNSwanson
University of LSU
Member since Mar 2012
23177 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:43 am to
I have the highest Uverse package for internet. It is definitely a step up from the shite we had with cox and also cheaper with bundle.

ETA: the highest is advertised at 18/mbps but I usually get 20-25
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 9:45 am
Posted by mctiger1985
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
3693 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 12:19 pm to
I have the 18 Mbps package and normally get around 15
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 1:40 pm to
Notice the varying stories. You have had a shitty experience with Cox. Others have had a shitty experience with U-Verse. It varies by location and how much bullshite the customer is willing to tolerate. I've been in the same house for 6 years and have experience with both companies with both internet and TV, and I can pretty objectively conclude that U-Verse offers more for the money with TV, and cox offers more for the money with internet.

In experiencing service from both companies, I got exactly the service that was advertised. Why? Because I am what these companies would call an insufferable customer. I understand precisely what performance I should be getting and why I wouldn't necessarily be getting that performance. I do not let the installers/techs leave until it's running properly, and that includes getting the advertised speed in a speed test within a 10% margin of error.

I had to make cox run all new coax from the service node to my yard, all the way through my attic and to my modem (and I bought my own modem rather than use Cox's terrible residential gateways, which I suspect contributes to some customers' problems). I also made them update my modem with the latest firmware.

For U-Verse, I understood that the service is fiber-to-the-node in my area. After that, it uses existing copper lines to the homes, which are fed from the VRAD and require iNIDs with pair bonding depending on your distance from the VRAD. My house is older, so I made them thoroughly test the line to my house as well as the existing copper wiring in my house (which would be my responsibility to repair if it was shoddy), fix any bridge-taps or bury a new line. Because it uses your existing old-school copper, line quality is of the utmost importance. If you're moving to a new development, this should not be an issue. One thing to consider is that uverse uses an interleaved path buffer that adds 20-30ms of latency between your iNID and the VRAD.

If you have the knowledge and patience to make sure everything is set up as it should (and it almost always involves getting in touch with a higher tier technician), a majority of service issues will be limited to the hardware in the home -- bad or improperly configured modems and routers, poor client adapter performance/reception, etc.

So, let's assume that both Internet services are working at your house as they should. Here are the pros and cons. Note that some of these pros apply only to my experience/area based on having full service and speeds as advertised:

U-Verse Internet Pros
- Bundled with U-Verse TV service (which you already indicated you will get), the 24mbps would be about $8-10 cheaper than cox's 25 mbps

- In the two years I had U-verse, I only experienced one outage, which lasted 2 hours. I'm talking 24/7 reliability, because I am generally running one program or another overnight that will clearly indicate a lapse in service if it happens.
- Never needed a VPN to pirate things on public trackers because ATT never sent me any warnings

Cons
- Highly reliant on your existing copper to your house and within it. Can be problematic in older houses.
- Unless you live in one the texas cities where u-verse giga-plus is offered, speeds packages are only available up to 24 or 45 mbps, and if you are more than 2000 ft from the VRAD, you're stuck with 18mbps or less.
- Very low upload speed, like 1.5-3mbps
- High latency compared to traditional cable, which can be a problem if are a competitive gamer.
- AT&T swears they don't throttle Youtube, but I and thousands of others had issues with youtube buffering. And watching HD youtube vids was nearly impossible. Last I read, ATT silently "fixed" the issue, but it's something to be aware of.
- Can't bring your own modem. You have to use their shitty residential gateway. You can still add your own router to the gateway, but you have to make sure you use the gateway to put the router in DMZ-plus mode (it might be different/more user friendly in newer gateways). The gateway U-verse provided to me only had 802.11g, when N had been pretty standard for a while already.

The Cons of U-verse essentially translate to the Pros of Cox Internet:
- Faster speeds available
- Much higher upload speeds
- Lower latency
- No issues with buffering HD videos
- You don't have to use their gateways. You can buy your own modem if it's on their approved list.

Cox Cons for me:
- Raises prices a little more often than ATT, but it's easy to get your bill lowered by simply asking to cancel so that you can switch to U-Verse. Nothing makes their assholes pucker quite as much as the existence of any competition whatsoever.
- Had to start using a VPN for my piracy
- Reliability not as strong. Every now and then there's a "maintenance outage," and occasionally I have days where I have to reset the modem every couple of hours -- obviously some service issues on their end. Certainly not so many that I want to cancel.

These days, I'm using Cox Internet and U-Verse TV.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67112 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:27 pm to
Cox's customer service is slightly (but hardly noticeably) better and they have higher top end speeds. UVerse is much much much much more reliable. I've had UVerse and it has never cut out and the speed never even dips. It's steady as they come.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

ILikeLSUToo


Perfect response. I am going to call Cox and complain about price today. I am paying 64.99. WHY?! am I doing this...

I do want to add that I do have fiber to the home so maybe I won't have the latency problems and get higher DL speeds.
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted by Murtagh
Metairie, La
Member since Feb 2008
2044 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

Unless you live in one the texas cities where u-verse giga-plus is offered, speeds packages are only available up to 24 mbps, and if you are more than 2000 ft from the VRAD, you're stuck with 18mbps or less.


I have the 45mb package and I live in Metairie, close to the lake by Transcontinental. So it all depends in the area you are in. UL speeds still suck, but I can live with it.
Posted by txbd
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2014
2237 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

ILikeLSUToo


Thank you so much for that awesome reply! Loved your computer build thread as well. Cheers!
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

I have the 45mb package and I live in Metairie, close to the lake by Transcontinental. So it all depends in the area you are in. UL speeds still suck, but I can live with it.


This is good information to know. How old is your house? It seems that a lot of very old neighborhoods (like mine) are stuck with ADSL2+ because of our location/distance from the VRAD and the cost to upgrade the infrastructure, whereas other areas with newer, stronger copper lines or a much shorter distance from the VRAD can use VDSL2 Pair Bonding. And the more affluent areas even get fiber to the home. Last I checked, those were in the smallest minority, like less than 5%.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83937 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:37 pm to
U-Verse is just plain awful.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:01 pm to
quote:

like less than 5%.


I have it in my subdivision in Central, LA
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

SG_Geaux


Thank you sooooooo much for changing your avatar. I wanted to punch babies when I saw it.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:10 pm to
quote:

I have it in my subdivision in Central, LA


What subdivision? I'm in Central too. Are you 100% sure it's fiber to the home?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

What subdivision?


Woodstock. ATT tech confirmed it and we had fiber flags throughout our front yards.
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