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How did the IRS emails disappear?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:57 am
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:57 am
I know this post title seems remarkably simple-minded, but I'm actually curious how anyone can explain this barring intentional misconduct.
To start, there are two copies of every email - one for the sender and one for the recipient. Secondly, the IRS is almost definitely backing up their data, and if you're important enough to receive an email from a top IRS official, you too are probably working at an organization whose data is so critical that backup is required. Finally, any hosting provider at either of the two original sites or the two backup sites may, under legal compulsion, also be able to access the files.
This is the kind of issue that should unite left and right in outrage against a corrupt government. Period.
To start, there are two copies of every email - one for the sender and one for the recipient. Secondly, the IRS is almost definitely backing up their data, and if you're important enough to receive an email from a top IRS official, you too are probably working at an organization whose data is so critical that backup is required. Finally, any hosting provider at either of the two original sites or the two backup sites may, under legal compulsion, also be able to access the files.
This is the kind of issue that should unite left and right in outrage against a corrupt government. Period.
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:58 am to RedStickBR
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Finally, any hosting provider at either of the two original sites or the two backup sites may, under legal compulsion, also be able to access the files.
This seems like the best route to explore at this point.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:59 am to RedStickBR
Illuminati
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:01 am to RedStickBR
Are there any experts in forensics on this board. You can't tell me there's no way to recover those e- mails. That crap wouldn't fly in divorce court.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:01 am to boosiebadazz
A group of private citizens should pool money for a reward for anyone who wants to blow the whistle here.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:02 am to RedStickBR
quote:
How did the IRS emails disappear?
Automagically
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:04 am to RedStickBR
I still think the time is perfect for a young, enterprising Republican to write a formal letter to the NSA requesting the emails and then release the letter to the public.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:10 am to RedStickBR
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This is the kind of issue that should unite left and right in outrage against a corrupt government.
the democrats control the whitehouse so the ends justify the means. just like they did when the republicans were in power.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:17 am to RedStickBR
I don't know the answer but I have worked on heavily bureaucratic jobs such as military/government contracting so I'll give it a shot.
a.) They don't want you to keep emails. My company, for example, only keeps emails for 3 months. It's up the the employees to archive emails.
Their stated reason: free up disc space. The truth: That's complete bull shite. "Disc space" hasn't been a problem since the 90s (at least for the type of large organizations like the IRS and the large military contractor I work for). The bottom line is plausible deniability . They want to purge them as fast as possible.
b.) government machines are sometimes crap. I believe the "my computer crashed story" b/c it happens frequently. Mine has crashed before.
c.) government machines often have layers upon layers of encryption running on them as well as tons of antivirus/anti-hacking software. It's easy for them to crap out.
d.) if an IT staff of one of these organizations thinks there is the slightest possibility of some sort of infection...it's gone. They don't try to fix/work around the potential infection. You just get a new machine. Your old one is gone forever.
All that said: This is still a complete clustercuss b/c it's the freaking IRS. It's inexcusable for the leadership to not have had a better system of backing up emails. Again, it's the IRS. Can you imagine what they would say if you told them "I scanned all my receipts and my computer crashed". They would say "tough shite."
I don't think Obama or someone from his administration "ordered this" or anything like that, but I do think they should be held accountable for a massive systematic failure. Congress should conduct a serious/full blown investigation to figure out what happened.
a.) They don't want you to keep emails. My company, for example, only keeps emails for 3 months. It's up the the employees to archive emails.
Their stated reason: free up disc space. The truth: That's complete bull shite. "Disc space" hasn't been a problem since the 90s (at least for the type of large organizations like the IRS and the large military contractor I work for). The bottom line is plausible deniability . They want to purge them as fast as possible.
b.) government machines are sometimes crap. I believe the "my computer crashed story" b/c it happens frequently. Mine has crashed before.
c.) government machines often have layers upon layers of encryption running on them as well as tons of antivirus/anti-hacking software. It's easy for them to crap out.
d.) if an IT staff of one of these organizations thinks there is the slightest possibility of some sort of infection...it's gone. They don't try to fix/work around the potential infection. You just get a new machine. Your old one is gone forever.
All that said: This is still a complete clustercuss b/c it's the freaking IRS. It's inexcusable for the leadership to not have had a better system of backing up emails. Again, it's the IRS. Can you imagine what they would say if you told them "I scanned all my receipts and my computer crashed". They would say "tough shite."
I don't think Obama or someone from his administration "ordered this" or anything like that, but I do think they should be held accountable for a massive systematic failure. Congress should conduct a serious/full blown investigation to figure out what happened.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:23 am to a want
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I believe the "my computer crashed story"
and what about the other computers that magically crashed as well?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:26 am to RedStickBR
They were intentionally deleted and affirmative steps were taken to not recover available backups.
Why? Because no one wants to keep evidence of themselves involved in a criminal conspiracy.
No evidence, no crime.
Snitches get stiches.
Why? Because no one wants to keep evidence of themselves involved in a criminal conspiracy.
No evidence, no crime.
Snitches get stiches.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:27 am to monsterballads
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and what about the other computers that magically crashed as well?
Happens all the time, it's a funding problem
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:27 am to a want
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a want
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I don't think Obama or someone from his administration "ordered this" or anything like that, but I do think they should be held accountable for a massive systematic failure. Congress should conduct a serious/full blown investigation to figure out what happened.
Chris Matthews is next.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:28 am to a want
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a want
excellent post
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:28 am to monsterballads
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and what about the other computers that magically crashed as well?
I don't know. It may very well be a CYA scenario.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:31 am to a want
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I don't know. It may very well be a CYA scenario.
Welcome a want, here is your decoder ring for the vast right wing conspiracy. Enjoy!
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:31 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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excellent post
Agreed. Well done.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:32 am to a want
quote:
I don't know the answer but I have worked on heavily bureaucratic jobs such as military/government contracting so I'll give it a shot.
a.) They don't want you to keep emails. My company, for example, only keeps emails for 3 months. It's up the the employees to archive emails.
Their stated reason: free up disc space. The truth: That's complete bull shite. "Disc space" hasn't been a problem since the 90s (at least for the type of large organizations like the IRS and the large military contractor I work for). The bottom line is plausible deniability . They want to purge them as fast as possible.
b.) government machines are sometimes crap. I believe the "my computer crashed story" b/c it happens frequently. Mine has crashed before.
c.) government machines often have layers upon layers of encryption running on them as well as tons of antivirus/anti-hacking software. It's easy for them to crap out.
d.) if an IT staff of one of these organizations thinks there is the slightest possibility of some sort of infection...it's gone. They don't try to fix/work around the potential infection. You just get a new machine. Your old one is gone forever.
All that said: This is still a complete clustercuss b/c it's the freaking IRS. It's inexcusable for the leadership to not have had a better system of backing up emails. Again, it's the IRS. Can you imagine what they would say if you told them "I scanned all my receipts and my computer crashed". They would say "tough shite."
I don't think Obama or someone from his administration "ordered this" or anything like that, but I do think they should be held accountable for a massive systematic failure. Congress should conduct a serious/full blown investigation to figure out what happened.
well said sire
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:33 am to a want
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I don't think Obama or someone from his administration "ordered this" or anything like that
Of course you don't.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:33 am to boosiebadazz
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I still think the time is perfect for a young, enterprising Republican to write a formal letter to the NSA requesting the emails and then release the letter to the public.
One of them has already made that request, though no response has been made public yet.
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