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re: How did the IRS emails disappear?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:10 am to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:10 am to ChineseBandit58
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uh - no.
It crashed 10 days after an interrogatory from Rep Camp concerning a lot of miscellaneous things, but among them were questions about the IRS targeting - as I understand it.
Agreed. That is what I read as well. It wasn't before the targeting, but after the implication that someone was doing something shady (ie. LL)
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:31 am to RedStickBR
Having worked IT for 13 years for a large bank and the DoD. The idea that they "lost" this email is beyond laughable to me. Anyone that has any knowledge of how email is exchanged should find this pretty humorous as well. Makes me really think that he gov believes the human populace is completely ignorant.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:58 am to Catman88
Lois Lerner could end up in Times Square hanging from a noose with her body riddled with bullets a day after she volunteered to "tell all", and the administration would call it an unrelated accident. The media would cover it for 48 hours, agree with that conclusion, and move on...
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:04 am to RedStickBR
Dude, they said they are gone. Move along, nothing to see here.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:11 am to RedStickBR
Outlook Redemption
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:27 am to RedStickBR
quote:
How did the IRS emails disappear?
No one in their right mind believes that they did.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:31 am to RedStickBR
I will explain.
Rep. Camp sends an inquiry about the targeting of conservative groups to the IRS.
Guilty culprits, Lerner, Flux and company know and knew they had committed crimes so they leap into crisis mode.
They zoink their computers to the point where it would take HIGHLY TRAINED forensic scientists types to recover the info, a regular I.T. guy was brought in to “try” and recover the data, but to no avail (azzez covered.)
If they really wanted to recover the emails they could have got them off the hard drive.
They could have also got 6 months of them from the back up system.
Then they recycled the 7 or 8 hard drives that all conveniently crashes, after inquiries was made about targeting.
Rep. Camp sends an inquiry about the targeting of conservative groups to the IRS.
Guilty culprits, Lerner, Flux and company know and knew they had committed crimes so they leap into crisis mode.
They zoink their computers to the point where it would take HIGHLY TRAINED forensic scientists types to recover the info, a regular I.T. guy was brought in to “try” and recover the data, but to no avail (azzez covered.)
If they really wanted to recover the emails they could have got them off the hard drive.
They could have also got 6 months of them from the back up system.
Then they recycled the 7 or 8 hard drives that all conveniently crashes, after inquiries was made about targeting.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:34 am to S.E.C. Crazy
I could buy that chain of events but what is missing is the other parties. Were they from Congress and/ or White house? If that chain of events is correct, 100% there are other parties since Lois won't do all of this without outside OK
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:36 am to Ace Midnight
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It absolutely does matter - if the WH was involved - in any way - this is 100x as bad as it is - and it is very bad now.
I should have expanded on what I meant.. Of course it would be huge and damning if the WH was involved. My point was that even without WH involvement, this story is a big deal to me and is just another item in a long list of why the size and nature of our Government is untenable long-term.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:09 am to RedStickBR
You just know that somewhere - NSA, etc. - HONEST EYEBALLS have looked at those Lerner/Obama conversations. Living with that or taking it to the grave (maybe an early one 
) can not be a comfy thing.
I'd love for another 'Snowden' to step up. If they did...that would pretty much destroy this whole government corruption thing.
"that which is spoken in the closet, will be shouted from the rooftops" (Biblical paraphrase). Another prophetic 'coincidence'.
) can not be a comfy thing. I'd love for another 'Snowden' to step up. If they did...that would pretty much destroy this whole government corruption thing.
"that which is spoken in the closet, will be shouted from the rooftops" (Biblical paraphrase). Another prophetic 'coincidence'.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:03 pm to TROLA
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I for one don't necessarily believe anyone in the White House was directing this operation and it doesn't matter if they were..
I honestly don't care if the WH was in on the targeting or not. The issue is someone with authority gave approval for the way conservative groups were handled. The delays, the extra questionnaires, the timely audits and visits from other federal agencies - they didn't happen just coincidentally.
We just need to know who gave the go-ahead, and then put that person on trial.
As for the emails, once it's established who gave the targeting orders, we should then be able to determine who conspired to destroy potential evidence of their misdeeds. Those people then need to be hauled into court as well.
If it stops at Lerner, then so be it. If it goes further, then we need to find that out as well.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:21 pm to a want
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I don't think Obama or someone from his administration "ordered this" or anything like that
You don't want to believe that...so you don't.
It's one of your greatest strengths.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:24 pm to RedStickBR
quote:
intentional misconduct
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:25 pm to Catman88
quote:
Having worked IT for 13 years for a large bank and the DoD. The idea that they "lost" this email is beyond laughable to me. Anyone that has any knowledge of how email is exchanged should find this pretty humorous as well. Makes me really think that he gov believes the human populace is completely ignorant.
What's even more laughable is that there would be an IT plan in which emails were archived only on the client machine.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:29 pm to TROLA
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My point was that even without WH involvement, this story is a big deal to me and is just another item in a long list of why the size and nature of our Government is untenable long-term.
Gotcha - it warrants a housecleaning at IRS, even if no direct WH involvement can be proven (and now it can't - or is unlikely - either way, as measures have been taken to destroy the evidence, either way - thus Gowdy's "spoliation" lesson last night.)
ETA: Expounding on this - everyone in the chain of command should be asked:
1. Who was involved and where did these directions come from?
If they give you an answer, you follow through on it. If they can't give you an answer, they're fired.
2. Where are the documents or emails that can establish that these people did these things?
They can either point to it or not. If they decline. They're fired. If they can direct you to where those documents/emails are, then you follow up on it.
That's how you do a fact based investigation, along with putting the consequences of lying/not cooperating with the people who pay the bills. At least in the future, people who are non-partisan will keep recrods to protect themselves in the future.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:38 pm to a want
quote:I don't. I'm not saying computers can't crap out, they can, it is just too coincidental in this situation. I rarely believe coincidences.
b.) government machines are sometimes crap. I believe the "my computer crashed story" b/c it happens frequently. Mine has crashed before. c.) government machines often have layers upon layers of encryption running on them as well as tons of antivirus/anti-hacking software. It's easy for them to crap out.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:34 pm to a want
quote:If it were one computer, I'd be inclined to believe it.
b.) government machines are sometimes crap. I believe the "my computer crashed story" b/c it happens frequently. Mine has crashed before.
But as I understand it... they are claiming 6 or 7 (nearly) simultaneous failures. Looking at the MTBF of your average HD... that would be like winning the lottery. Six times. In the same month.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:38 pm to mtntiger
quote:
I honestly don't care if the WH was in on the targeting or not. The issue is someone with authority gave approval for the way conservative groups were handled. The delays, the extra questionnaires, the timely audits and visits from other federal agencies - they didn't happen just coincidentally.
We just need to know who gave the go-ahead, and then put that person on trial.
As for the emails, once it's established who gave the targeting orders, we should then be able to determine who conspired to destroy potential evidence of their misdeeds. Those people then need to be hauled into court as well.
If it stops at Lerner, then so be it. If it goes further, then we need to find that out as well.
Well said. However, as you have alluded to, there is no way this was not a coordinated effort that was directed by someone with authority in the White House.
Lois Lerner did not just go rogue.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:26 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
How did the emails disappear?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:38 pm to mtntiger
quote:
I honestly don't care if the WH was in on the targeting or not.
Are you serious? If it's directed from the White House, that's the cheeriest scenario. The admin can be voted out, and the system can "heal" somewhat. If the IRS is operating politically on its own, that's like pancreatic cancer. It's almost impossible to fix.
I'm sure Nixon wasn't the first to float the idea of using the IRS as a weapon. Dem Senators are on record calling for the IRS to focus on certain conservative political groups. In an idea situation, the IRS would tell them to go piss up a rope. In this situation, the IRS took the idea and ran with it.
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