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Why don't soldiers wear bullet proof vest/armor?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:38 am
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:38 am
Watched a few war movies this weekend. Is it because of the weight or bulk or maybe even cost as to why soldiers esp Navy Seal types who have good odds of being in combat don't wear some sort of battle armor? Seems like a lot of casualties could be avoided.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:39 am to BabyTac
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Watched a few war movies this weekend.
I assume not documentaries.
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Seems like a lot of casualties could be avoided.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:40 am to BabyTac
most of the soldiers in combat situations do....
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:42 am to Sofa King Crimson
What the sofa king said..
However, most body armor only covers the trunk area and they aren't very protective vs explosive devices.
However, most body armor only covers the trunk area and they aren't very protective vs explosive devices.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:44 am to BabyTac
They didn't in the Vietnam era and before. I'm not sure when it became normal. Maybe Grenada or Panama in the 80's?
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 7:45 am
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:47 am to lsufan9193969700
Soldiers do in fact wear vests of different types of material, one being Kevlar sometimes with a ceramic plate inserted in the vital organs region for further protection. The headgear is also Kevlar. Newer materials have been developed since I last wore bullet resistant vest. I believe one is snakeskin. Special ops types I assume don't wear the vests due to weight and restrictive nature of vests. They are hot and heavy, during the summer months. Google army medic shot in Iraq and you will see the effectiveness of the armor.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:48 am to BabyTac
You should design some body armor for soldiers. Get in on the ground floor of this idea. Can't believe nobody has ever thought of this.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:50 am to tysonslefthook
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Posted by Message tysonslefthook Why don't soldiers wear bullet proof vest/armor? They didn't in the Vietnam era and before. I'm not sure when it became normal. Maybe Grenada or Panama in the 80's?
Had a type of vest in Vietnam, advances in aramid fibers made them more practical and yes were worn in Operation Just Cause in December of 1989. I can't speak for the airborne troops, but we wore them stepping off the C130 from Hurlburt Field to Fort Kobbe
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:50 am to tysonslefthook
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Watched a few war movies this weekend. Is it because of the weight or bulk or maybe even cost as to why soldiers esp Navy Seal types who have good odds of being in combat don't wear some sort of battle armor? Seems like a lot of casualties could be avoided.
1. War movies are not real battles so take them with a grain of salt.
2.Guys do wear gear but many bullets today have been designed to penetrate armor such as FMJ's
3.Navy Seals don't wear them always because they are not a unit that is designed for sustained combat. SEALs are designed for small team combat units that get in, do the job, and get out. That's why SEALs go in to compounds to raid them, take out specific targets, etc. Marines/army regulars battle the sustained fights.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 8:14 am
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:50 am to BabyTac
Thats a great idea, man. You should write a general and offer him your suggestion.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:56 am to Mattwells90
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1. War movies are not real battles so take them with a grain of salt.
2.Guys do wear gear but many bullets today have been designed to penetrate armor such as FMJ's
3.Navy Seals don't wear them because they are not a unit that is designed for sustained combat. SEALs are designed for small team combat units that get in, do the job, and get out. That's why SEALs go in to compounds to raid them, take out specific targets, etc. Marines/army regulars battle the sustained fights.
Respectfully, other than your first point - which is spot on - it does not appear that you have any knowledge of what you're talking about.
FMJ aren't "designed" to penetrate armor. That's anti-gun propoganda. FMJ rifle bullets end up penetrating obstacles as a secondary effect of their design. Now - some rounds are designed to penetrate armor, but it's cost and availability make it relatively unavailable for most threats. The other dirty little secret is that body armor is primarily effective against pistols, shrapnel, etc., and you have to increase the weight and cost to provide even modest protection against rifles, generally, anyway, although that has improved, measurably, over the past couple of decades.
And special operators wear body armor all the time. Because of their unique nature, high optempo, etc., they can afford the best of the best equipment and utilize it. Part of the reason their conditioning requirements are so high is the increased weight of their gear package, the heaviest item of which is body armor, generally.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 7:57 am
Posted on 6/23/14 at 8:21 am to Ace Midnight
Admittedly I didn't serve so I don't have first hand knowledge but I know quite a few military guys and from what they've said, some guys don't always wear vests. Sometimes they do sometimes they don't, kinda depends on the mission.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 8:23 am to Mattwells90
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some idiots don't always wear vests.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 8:25 am to GrammarKnotsi
Meh I've never run a combat patrol so I can't speak to it being a good idea or not. I've never shot at anyone but supposedly most rifle rounds pierce BA. I've never tested that though.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 8:28 am to BabyTac
On a positve note, based on the war movies when you do get shot it is usually no big deal.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 8:31 am to rebeloke
Aw yeah bro. 10 shots to the chest is no biggie......
In hollywood.
In hollywood.
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