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Can someone tell me what the "liberal agenda" is?
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:45 am
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:45 am
I hear that and the "liberal media" as well as "gay agenda" mentioned so much when conservatives debate moral issues and I have to wonder if they really believe that someone with a different political view or sexual orientation have an endgame that is ultimately harmful to America.
It seems there is a lot of conspiracy as to what is "really going on" and what this or that group is trying to accomplish when all it amounts to in the end is simply a different point of view.
It seems there is a lot of conspiracy as to what is "really going on" and what this or that group is trying to accomplish when all it amounts to in the end is simply a different point of view.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:46 am to The Calvin
That's a progressive agenda, BTW.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:46 am to The Calvin
Not sure about "liberal" or "gay" but the end game of the American Progressive movement is unlimited and unchecked federal power.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:54 am to Antonio Moss
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but the end game of the American Progressive movement is unlimited and unchecked federal power.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:59 am to Rex
You can roll your eyes all you want but its spelled out in the writings of the founders of the movement.
Now most people who label themselves "progressive" don't understand this but their ignorance doesn't erase the truth of the matter.
Now most people who label themselves "progressive" don't understand this but their ignorance doesn't erase the truth of the matter.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:03 am to Antonio Moss
I think it means that public policy is supposed to be designed to help those in need.
The fight is over it's effectiveness relative to its "good intentions".
So we end up with massive sized government that we can't afford, so it must because Rich people aren't paying their fair share.
Round and round we go...
Both sides have valid arguments...but the rhetoric from the left is killing progress..and vice versa
The fight is over it's effectiveness relative to its "good intentions".
So we end up with massive sized government that we can't afford, so it must because Rich people aren't paying their fair share.
Round and round we go...
Both sides have valid arguments...but the rhetoric from the left is killing progress..and vice versa
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:05 am to Antonio Moss
Unlimited? Unchecked? There's no truth in that.
Progressives don't want the Federal government in our bedrooms, we don't want the Federal government choosing which recreational substances to enjoy, we don't want the Federal government favoring one religion over another, we don't want the Federal government favoring one sexual orientation over another, we don't want the Federal government sending us off to war to satisfy their corporate sponsors, and on and on and on.... it's people like YOU who support candidates who want all that.
Progressives don't want the Federal government in our bedrooms, we don't want the Federal government choosing which recreational substances to enjoy, we don't want the Federal government favoring one religion over another, we don't want the Federal government favoring one sexual orientation over another, we don't want the Federal government sending us off to war to satisfy their corporate sponsors, and on and on and on.... it's people like YOU who support candidates who want all that.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:05 am to ApexTiger
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I think it means that public policy is supposed to be designed to help those in need.
Nope
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:14 am to Rex
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Unlimited? Unchecked? There's no truth in that.
Sure there is. Read Wilson's writings. Here is an excerpt from an 1887 essay:
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Roundly described, socialism is a proposition that every community, by means of whatever forms of organization may be most effective for the purpose, see to it for itself that each one of its members finds the employment for which he is best suited and is rewarded according to his diligence and merit, all proper surroundings of moral influence being secured to him by the public authority. ‘State socialism’ is willing to act through state authority as it is at present organized. It proposes that all idea of a limitation of public authority by individual rights be put out of view, and that the State consider itself bound to stop only at what is unwise or futile in its universal superintendence alike of individual and of public interests. The thesis of the state socialist is, that no line can be drawn between private and public affairs which the State may not cross at will; that omnipotence of legislation is the first postulate of all just political theory.
Applied in a democratic state, such doctrine sounds radical, but not revolutionary. It is only an acceptance of the extremest logical conclusions deducible from democratic principles long ago received as respectable. For it is very clear that, in fundamental theory, socialism and democracy are almost, if not quite, one and the same. They both rest at bottom upon the absolute right of the community to determine its own destiny and that of its members. Men as communities are supreme over men as individuals. Limits of wisdom and convenience to the public control there may be: limits of principle there are, upon strict analysis, none.
The idea of Progressivism grew from the European political think tanks in the late 19th century by applying Darwinism to social policy. Progressivism seeks a limitless (i.e. no individual rights, no constitutional limitations) central government which will allow government to evolve into what it needs to be at that time.
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Progressives don't want the Federal government in our bedrooms, we don't want the Federal government choosing which recreational substances to enjoy, we don't want the Federal government favoring one religion over another, we don't want the Federal government favoring one sexual orientation over another, we don't want the Federal government sending us off to war to satisfy their corporate sponsors, and on and on and on....
You don't understand Progressivism. You aren't alone.
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it's people like YOU who support candidates who want all that.
Yeah, I supported Paul in 2012; you supported Obama. Which one was for the expansion of individual rights again?
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:16 am to Antonio Moss
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Not sure about "liberal" or "gay" but the end game of the American Progressive movement is unlimited and unchecked federal power.
Of course it is. Thats why it is able to morph itself to include any and every movement that 1) wants an issue addressed through more government and 2) will snare more people for its cause.
The Rexs, TT9s, Navytigers, a Wants etc of the world are so caught up in their own individual agenda that they cant or dont care to see what the real agenda is.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:22 am to The Calvin
On it's face they mean well. In execution it pretty much turns into whatever they want will be forced on you through the gov't. It's a very elitist and narcissistic ideology no matter how much they try to convince you they're looking out for the little guy.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:27 am to Antonio Moss
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Not sure about "liberal" or "gay" but the end game of the American Progressive movement is unlimited and unchecked federal power.
Man you have really jumped the shark.
As for the OP, it's what myopic conservatives say because they're too intellectually lazy or unable to understand past their own worldview. It's like when a liberal says Republicans are for the rich. It's an easy, lazy way of validating their own beliefs. Like what Antonio is doing here.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:29 am to Antonio Moss
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You don't understand Progressivism. You aren't alone.
Love it when conservatives tell progressives what they think.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:30 am to The Calvin
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I hear that and the "liberal media" as well as "gay agenda" mentioned so much when republicans debate moral issues and I have to wonder if they really believe that someone with a different political view or sexual orientation have an endgame that is ultimately harmful to America.
It seems there is a lot of conspiracy as to what is "really going on" and what this or that group is trying to accomplish when all it amounts to in the end is simply a different point of view.
fify ... true conservatives aren't debating moral issues ...
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:31 am to rintintin
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It's a very elitist and narcissistic ideology no matter how much they try to convince you they're looking out for the little guy.
Another comment that is spot on. One reason Progressivism is so popular is that in whatever "cause" you are behind, you are the enlightened one while everyone else that doesnt support your cause is backwards, ignorant, and/or stupid.
You dont get the same kind of feelings for supporting individual liberty(although I will admit some libertarians do come across as condescending at times). What you are judged on is your merit. If you have nothing to show for your own self, you have no way to feel like you are above anyone else. This doesnt fly with most people nowadays.
This post was edited on 6/22/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:39 am to The Calvin
The believe in a glass ceiling, held up by government programs, to keep voters on the edge of poverty and voting for more in a block for liberal politicians...
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:40 am to The Calvin
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I hear that and the "liberal media" as well as "gay agenda" mentioned so much when conservatives debate moral issues and I have to wonder if they really believe that someone with a different political view or sexual orientation have an endgame that is ultimately harmful to America.
The liberal progressive agenda/goal is control through expansion of government. The endgame is basically a nanny state disguised as progress in which elite "smart" liberal Democrats choose what is best for you because you are obviously too stupid to make the politically correct choices.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:40 am to bamafan1001
Robin Hood theory
Tax the people who have money and have made something of their lives to fund the lazy entitled who don't do anything
Tax the people who have money and have made something of their lives to fund the lazy entitled who don't do anything
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:40 am to bamafan1001
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Another comment that is spot on. One reason Progressivism is so popular is that in whatever "cause" you are behind, you are the enlightened one while everyone else that doesnt support your cause are backwards, ignorant, and/or stupid.
You mean like when conservatives say liberals are "low information voters" or say blacks stay on the plantation? Generalizing and Condescending like that?
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