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StL Fed: 2009 Stimulus --> trash.

Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:08 pm
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:08 pm
Just wanted to share some boring empirical work FWIW. Analysis of the first year shows some... weak results.

Title of the analysis is appropriately straightforward- "The 2009 Recovery Act: Directly Created and Saved Jobs Were Primarily in Government."

The direct numbers look so low compared to initial projections that even the low-end (1 million - 3 million jobs) looks unlikely. They were revised way down, as is mentioned below. This is for the first year of the program- stuff on more recent data will be coming out eventually.

-1.3 - 3.3 million jobs created/ saved was projected. Direct result was a great deal lower, and 75%+ of them were government jobs:
quote:

166,000 of the 682,000 jobs directly created/saved were in the private sector. Examples of private sector stimulus jobs include social workers hired by nonprofit groups to assist families, mechanics to repair buses for public transportation, and construction workers to repave highways. Examples of government stimulus jobs include public school teachers, civil servants employed at state agencies, and police officers. While fewer than one of four stimulus jobs were in the private sector, more than seven of nine jobs in the U.S. economy overall reside in the private sector. Thus, stimulus-funded jobs were heavily tilted toward government.

-They also survey other recent empirical work, it appears that at best the program generated a small bump at colossal cost, or worse, nothing at all:
quote:

while the stimulus was was unsuccessful increating/saving private sector jobs, it helped maintain and sometimes increase (i)state and local government services, and in turn public sector jobs

quote:

Conley and Dupor (2013) use state-level data to conduct a cross-sectional study of the
effect of stimulus jobs. They find that the Act resulted in a statistically significant increase in state and local government employment but not in private employment.

quote:

Jones and Rothschild (2011), using their own surveys of grant, loan, and contract recipients, find that approximately one-half of the individuals filling positions directly created by Recovery Act funding were leaving other jobs

Oof!
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Wilson (2012) uses state-level variation through an instrumental variables method to
study the job effects of Recovery Act spending. His results concerning the private sector effect
of the stimulus are mixed

(That "mixed" doesn't mean that some of them were actually negative. It means that some all were positive, but only some were statistically significant.)
quote:

Michael Grabell’s (2012) book, Money Well Spent? The Truth Behind the Trillion-Dollar
Stimulus, the Biggest Economic Recovery Plan in History, intended for a general audience, gives
an excellent account of many aspects of the Recovery Act. It contains a detailed narrative
account of why the design and execution of the stimulus led to slow and limited direct job
creating/saving in the private sector, such as transportation, but rapid job creating/saving in
the government
sector

quote:

Several times per year since the beginning of the stimulus plan, the CBO has published a
low-high interval estimate of the employment effects (combining direct and indirect jobs
created/saved) of the program. In its first nine reports, the CBO projected that between 1.3
and 3.3 million persons would be employed in 2010 as a result of the Act; however, in its 10th
report (November 2011), the CBO revised its estimate and reported that the Act may have
created/saved as few as 650,000 jobs in 2010


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Ramey (2013), using several different specifications of structural vector autoregressions, shows that in response to an increase in government purchases, government employment rises while private sector employment falls or is unchanged

LINK
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:13 pm to
St. Louis? That's in the Midwest? No?

We should have never done this. Many economists conclude we would have had a short, sharp and deep depression, but recovery would have been quicker and more sustainable.

See U of Chicago College of Economics. Not exactly a hot bed of fiscal conservative thinking.

Chicago? That's in the Midwest also? No?
Posted by NHTIGER
Central New Hampshire
Member since Nov 2003
16188 posts
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:25 pm to
House Vote on Stimulus Bill (2-13-09):

Democrats: 246 YEA - 7 NAY - 1 Present - 1 Not Voting

Republicans: 0 (as in zero, zilch, nada) YEA - 176 NAY - 2 Not Voting

_________________

Senate Vote on Stimulus Bill (2-11-09):

Democrats: 56 YEA - 0 NAY

Independents: 2 YEA - 0 NAY

Republicans: 3 YEA(Collins, Snowe, Specter) - 37 NAY - 1 Not Voting


_______________

PRE-Tea Party movement, bunch of RINO's
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:28 pm to
quote:

U of Chicago College of Economics. Not exactly a hot bed of fiscal conservative thinking.

Eh, by tradition, it's something like conservative, if you ask old-Keynesian saltwater types like Kruggles.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24735 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 6:24 am to
The government has always been good at spending money, but has never spent it well. Even when the money spent does what it is intended to do, we still usually overpay.

It seems that a lot of government projects are not designed to be useful, but rather to inject money into a geographic area of need. Often times this need is determined by whether the whether or not an incumbent in that geographical area is in danger of not being re-elected.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67689 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 6:42 am to
Many of us knew this before the ink was dry on the stimulus bill.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70890 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 6:45 am to
Teh ebil Repugs obviously sabotaged the stimulus by not allowing it to be big enough to solve our economic problems. All to make the black president look bad.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 7:53 am to
quote:

quote:
U of Chicago College of Economics. Not exactly a hot bed of fiscal conservative thinking.

Eh, by tradition, it's something like conservative, if you ask old-Keynesian saltwater types like Kruggles.



I don't find most of them particularly conservative.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 7:55 am
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
31633 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 7:58 am to
quote:

It seems that a lot of government projects are not designed to be useful, but rather to inject money into a geographic area of need. Often times this need is determined by whether the whether or not an incumbent in that geographical area is in danger of not being re-elected.
. Yeah, seems like swing states get attention as well.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18054 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:14 am to
Stimulus was not big enough. Everybody knows that.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98488 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 8:51 am to
Yep.

Stimulus should have been eleventy-bazillion dollars. Everyone should have been sent a check for $1 million (except for the non - HHollywood rich).
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10808 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:21 am to
quote:

Putting The Cart On Top Of The Horse

For a human lifetime, since the 1930s in the US and across the developed world, the health and “growth” of an economy has been “measured” by how much has been consumed. Part of this consumption, it is true, is the natural result of prior production. But over the decades, an increasing proportion of it has been done by means of borrowed money. Worse still, the calculations of economic “growth” have included consumption by government. Government, by its nature, produces NOTHING. Any government, even one which is limited to protecting life and property and issues no debt whatsoever, is a cost on the economy. The fact that this cost is necessary does not negate the fact that it is a cost.

It is one thing to measure this cost in terms of money. It is another thing entirely to measure it in terms of the real wealth which has been consumed by government. The ONLY way to increase the wealth of an individual or a nation of individuals is to produce MORE than is consumed. The difference - which is SAVINGS - can then be used to produce more real wealth with more efficient means and thus less real effort. This is the only way that an economy can genuinely “grow”. This is what transformed the US from an all but untouched potential into a continent-girdling economic powerhouse. It was not done by means of currency manipulation. It was not done by means of government borrowing. It was not done by all encompassing rules and regulations. It was done by means of political AND economic freedom.

It cannot be done in any other way. Increasing the units of the medium of exchange will NOT do it. Increasing the debt burden on generations to come will not do it. These things will do the opposite. They will and have inexorably led to capital consumption. The results of capital consumption are visible all over the world today - but in few places is the evidence more stark and obvious than it is in the US.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45797 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 8:55 am to
Bump...
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 9:01 am to


IIRC these are analyses of the first year of spending alone, so keep that in mind FWIW
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32642 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 9:02 am to
Yeah but what if we had done nothing.....








































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