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I've harped on this before, but on the issue of working age adults on the dole
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:51 pm
I don't think many Americans, not even Democrats, like the idea of people that have every ability to work, choose not to and live on the gov't dole. Why is it such a horrible policy then to create government work programs so these people can work, though? The economy runs better when full employment is reached, anyway. And it removes the moral hazard. Let the working age idle rebuild our infrastructure, clean up the schools and the parks. Let the government give them a sense of self worth. That way, our taxes are not going to unproductive people, but to productive people. Also, it helps people who want to work, but are not able to find a job in the market.
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The Dems know they will lose votes if the abled bodied leech has to work for money that he has always gotten for doing nothing.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:55 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:But you find the strongest opposition to my suggestion on the right, ironically.
The Dems know they will lose votes if the abled bodied leech has to work for money that he has always gotten for doing nothing.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
When i was unemployed we needed to prove we applied for work that week. Greta idea. But.. in regard t earlier postings, there needs to be more jobs available. Get America's money out of the Caymans and reinvest it in jobs here.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Why should Gov be involved at all.
As a conservative Libertarian...I do not think it is "progress" to simply have gov involved DIFFERENTLY than current
As a conservative Libertarian...I do not think it is "progress" to simply have gov involved DIFFERENTLY than current
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I don't think many Americans, not even Democrats, like the idea of people that have every ability to work, choose not to and live on the gov't dole
No, Democrats don't care. They celebrate when more people rely on government.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:59 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:Do you think full employment is a possibility in a free market?
Why should Gov be involved at all.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:08 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Do you think full employment is a possibility in a free market?
I'm unconcerned with that as it involves THIS thread. The gov "paying" folks is the same whether they 'work' or on the dole....insofar as economic impact.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:16 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:But when they work, they are at least doing something productive. Infrastructure, etc./
The gov "paying" folks is the same whether they 'work' or on the dole.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:18 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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But when they work, they are at least doing something productive. Infrastructure, etc./
If they can work and do not...frick 'em.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:23 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:If they can work, but can't find a job, then what?
If they can work and do not...frick 'em.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The economy runs better when full employment is reached, anyway.
Huh?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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But when they work, they are at least doing something productive. Infrastructure, etc./
What? This doesn't make sense. If there was a demand for improved infrastructure then there wouldn't be a need for government forcing the project.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why is it such a horrible policy then to create government work programs so these people can work, though?
They have to tax someone to pay for those jobs. Those taxes kill jobs. Do you think the government is going to be better at determining which jobs are necessary than private enterprise?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If they can work, but can't find a job, then what?
There are jobs available they just might be "above" the ones out there.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If they can work, but can't find a job, then what?
Starbucks is currently giving away a free education to get people to work there. There isn't a shortage of jobs in this country. There is a shortage of people who want to work instead of collect checks from the government.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:56 pm to THRILLHO
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They have to tax someone to pay for those jobs.
This would be another case of the Broken Windows parable.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Do you think full employment is a possibility in a free market?
Just an FYI, the market is considered fully employed at 5%
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I don't think many Americans, not even Democrats, like the idea of people that have every ability to work, choose not to and live on the gov't dole.
No one does that! They are just "discouraged" from searching for work and give up, causing Obama's unemployment numbers to look better than they are.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If they can work, but can't find a job, then what?
Again..YOUR OP was that these are people "on the dole" and you posit that it would be somehow "full employment" if the government created some 'labor' for these dole denizens to do.
That is NOT "full employment" to simply pay the same dole dolts and have them be 'park trash attendants' for the very same dollars from the very same gov.
silliness.
You've changed NOTHING as relates to the economy or production by paying the same dollars to the same people from the same gov and simply calling it "employment"
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