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Righties - if you had a choice between minimum wage and unions
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:12 pm
Choose-
1) A Constitutional amendment protecting the right of businesses and unions to form union shop agreements (invalidating so called "right to work" laws, which are really just right to freeload laws) - AND - a Constitutional amendment abolishing minimum wage laws.
-OR-
2) Raising the minimum wage to $12/hour and indexing it to inflation, while maintaining the status quo on unions (allowing states to effectively destroy them at will).
I would personally choose 1. With strong unions minimum wages laws aren't really needed.
1) A Constitutional amendment protecting the right of businesses and unions to form union shop agreements (invalidating so called "right to work" laws, which are really just right to freeload laws) - AND - a Constitutional amendment abolishing minimum wage laws.
-OR-
2) Raising the minimum wage to $12/hour and indexing it to inflation, while maintaining the status quo on unions (allowing states to effectively destroy them at will).
I would personally choose 1. With strong unions minimum wages laws aren't really needed.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 11:14 pm
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:13 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Righties
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:14 pm to SpidermanTUba
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1)
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:16 pm to SpidermanTUba
Is there an option C?
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:19 pm to SpidermanTUba
I'll take both if that means you never post here again
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:19 pm to SpidermanTUba
Potato. 
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:20 pm to SpidermanTUba
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minimum wages laws aren't really needed.
agreed!
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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1)
Thanks for the one serious reply so far.
We agree on this point then. Minimum wage is not needed with strong unions. A union is a better instrument to represent the interests of the worker than the government. All the worker needs is for government to protect his rights to collectively bargain through a union.
Other regulations could be relaxed with strong unions, not just wage laws. The threat of a union strike is far more convincing that the threat of a government fine.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:26 pm to SpidermanTUba
Option 2(better of two bad options), because there would no longer be a discussion on minimum wage. after it is set to 12 and keep to inflation, the market will settle and adjust to it. Unions are no longer necessary in many industries do to the strength of public opinion and the world being so much smaller do to the internet. Also states should have the right to kick unions out.
This being said, I also say we need an amendment to take care of Citizens United as it opens the door to international citizens and businesses directly affecting our domestic policies.
This being said, I also say we need an amendment to take care of Citizens United as it opens the door to international citizens and businesses directly affecting our domestic policies.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:27 pm to SpidermanTUba
unions are going down the drain as it is, and as soon as people realize how much minimum wage laws will kill jobs, they will go to. You can't legislate jobs into creation... Yes China is killing is on cost of labor, but forcing businesses to pay more will only kill the small businesses that unskilled laborers need to survive. 
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:30 pm to Stuckinthe90s
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after it is set to 12 and keep to inflation, the market will settle and adjust to it
No shite, huh?
Why the F don't the politicians realize this?
Index it to inflation. Perhaps have a maximum it can go up in a year, (5%?) and prevent it from ever going down - but apply any leftover negative or positive balance to future years (kinda like TIPS)
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:31 pm to SpidermanTUba
You know you're a fat fricking idiot, right?
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:33 pm to SpidermanTUba
with either option automation would accelerate. I know my family's farm would look into those new self driving tractors if either of those passed.
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This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:33 pm to Doosh606
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unions are going down the drain as it is,
Well no shite, Sherlock. The states have been busy passing laws to ensure this over the past several decades.
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and as soon as people realize how much minimum wage laws will kill jobs
It doesn't. That's the problem with your argument.
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You can't legislate jobs into creation...
That isn't what minimum wage laws are designed to do (and your statement is false).
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but forcing businesses to pay more will only kill the small businesses that unskilled laborers need to survive.
McDonald's is a small business?
Who knew.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:34 pm to WeeWee
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I know my family'e farm would look into those new self driving tractors if either of those passed.
Their patriotism would no doubt force them to buy American, though, so its a push.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:35 pm to SpidermanTUba
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McDonald's is a small business?
Franchises are usually family businesses.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Franchises are usually family businesses.
Maybe 50 years ago! A bit isolated up there in Alaska, huh? This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:41 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Maybe 50 years ago! A bit isolated up there in Alaska, huh?
In addition to many other deficiencies, add "not knowing what a franchise is" to your list.
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Some franchisees are paying more than 8.5% of annual store sales in rent, according to some of the reporting that I've seen. Not only are higher rents hurting their bottom lines, they're also forcing some franchisees to hold up on expensive remodeling programs.
Adding insult to injury is something that every small business owner in America is trying the wrap their arms around: the Affordable Care Act. Small-business owners, including McDonald's franchisees, are scrambling to find ways to pay for the new mandates put forth by the Obama administration.
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This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:42 pm to SpidermanTUba
If those are my two choices, I'd have to pick #1. The consequences of #2 would be extensive and debilitating to many industries.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:49 pm to SpidermanTUba
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SpidermanTUba
you don't know what a franchise is. You know you're a fat fricking idiot, right?
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