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In the market for Video Editing PC - help
Posted on 6/7/14 at 7:30 am
Posted on 6/7/14 at 7:30 am
I do a fair amount of video editing (Adobe Premiere) and the work-flow is now to the point where I can justify a new PC for that purpose. When I pull the trigger on this thing, I want to make sure I don't make any technical blunders in terms of horsepower so I thought I'd float this out to the Tech Board in hopes of making a short list of "must haves" for my new Video editing PC. I've already been to NewEgg.com but due to my lack of technical knowledge of graphic cards and performance, etc, I can't bring myself to buy one there (NewEgg does not give technical advice, so you're basically on your own). I'm also thinking about visiting a local PC shop and talking to him about what I need and let him build it for me.
Does it make sense to buy a PC that's advertised primarily for gaming?? Will that cover all my bases? Thanks in advance...
Does it make sense to buy a PC that's advertised primarily for gaming?? Will that cover all my bases? Thanks in advance...
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Posted on 6/7/14 at 7:51 am to tigerpawl
You really need to list your budget.
Sort of hard to help build something without it. I could put together a list of parts to build a super bad arse PC for you but it might be way more than what you want to spend.
Also list your budget for just the tower. The peripherals would be up to you.
Sort of hard to help build something without it. I could put together a list of parts to build a super bad arse PC for you but it might be way more than what you want to spend.
Also list your budget for just the tower. The peripherals would be up to you.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 7:53 am to stout
quote:This would be a tower-only project. I'd like to keep it under $1k.
Also list your budget for just the tower.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:04 am to tigerpawl
For $1K you might have to go with an 8350 for the CPU which will be fine for multithreaded applications like video rendering but whatever you do stick with Nvidia on the GPU. Nvidia has features specially made for Premier Pro.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:12 am to stout
quote:Well there ya go.... I did not know that.... thanks...
Nvidia has features specially made for Premier Pro.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:20 am to tigerpawl
FYI the special features are usually found on the professional line of Nvidia cards like the Quadro series and those cards can be costly. The Quadro series cards cost more than your whole budget but even the GTX Nvidia cards, which is their gaming series, are better suited for Premier Pro than AMD cards are.
A card like the 4GB version of the 770 would be a good choice and can probably be included in your budget as long as you go with an AMD CPU.
Here is a starting point for you. You can play around with it and change what you may want to. ILikeLSUToo would probably be able to help you a little more as he has way more technical knowledge on individual parts than I do but I will tell you to get at least 16GB of ram in whatever build you do and if you go AMD on the CPU 2 8GB sticks will perform slightly better than 4 4GB sticks.
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A card like the 4GB version of the 770 would be a good choice and can probably be included in your budget as long as you go with an AMD CPU.
Here is a starting point for you. You can play around with it and change what you may want to. ILikeLSUToo would probably be able to help you a little more as he has way more technical knowledge on individual parts than I do but I will tell you to get at least 16GB of ram in whatever build you do and if you go AMD on the CPU 2 8GB sticks will perform slightly better than 4 4GB sticks.
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Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:30 am to stout
quote:I definitely plan to load up on RAM - 16GB was my number. It seems that AMD is the processor of choice for this - that's news to me and will put it on my short list.
get at least 16GB of ram in whatever build you do and if you go AMD on the CPU
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:04 am to tigerpawl
This post was edited on 12/26/14 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:54 am to tigerpawl
just from my experience of upgrades since editing on a pentium 4,every time i have upgraded the processor and memory together i have made most gains.
every time i upgrade video card,sfa.
what files are you editing and what are you doing with them.
my main work is editing ex1 and ag/ac 90 footage.
my deadline is extreme but i don't have to grade or use any effects apart from some stabilizing.
files are smooth in timeline even when i grade and render times are in a good range for my deadline.
currently using i7 3930k with 32gig ram,gtx 670.
no plan to upgrade any time soon.
every time i upgrade video card,sfa.
what files are you editing and what are you doing with them.
my main work is editing ex1 and ag/ac 90 footage.
my deadline is extreme but i don't have to grade or use any effects apart from some stabilizing.
files are smooth in timeline even when i grade and render times are in a good range for my deadline.
currently using i7 3930k with 32gig ram,gtx 670.
no plan to upgrade any time soon.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 1:12 pm to bonstonker
quote:
just from my experience of upgrades since editing on a pentium 4,every time i have upgraded the processor and memory together i have made most gains.
every time i upgrade video card,sfa.
It all depends on the type of work you do in Premiere Pro. Admittedly I'm still a noob with this program (it took me a while to find my way around photoshop, and premiere is just daunting), but on the hardware side, I know that the GPU acceleration comes in handy for certain visual affects, but CPU rendering is still king.
I'm not at home right now, but I recommend trying to shift the budget allocation around on Stout's build by reducing the video card a fair amount to fit a 4770k in the budget. (like a 660 ti/4770k combo if this isn't going to be used for gaming at all). Not sure if it's doable, so if not, reduce the video card, move up to an 8350 (ignore an i5 option), and increase the SSD size.
I'll be home later to mess with the configuration more.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 2:37 pm to Negative Nomad
quote:I'm subscribing to Adobe Creative Cloud (all the bells & whistles), which includes Premiere Pro.
The more important question is are using premier pro or elements?
Posted on 6/7/14 at 2:59 pm to ILikeLSUToo
quote:I'm taking .mov files straight out of a DSLR (Nikon D800; I expect to add a 2nd camera later this year) and editing them for corporate promotional videos. Interview style, with the same look and feel as 60 Minutes using soft-box studio lights with the questioner off-camera. Most are 720p. Also doing 1080p 15s and 30s for Cable TV spots. Occasionally longer projects. Doing cuts and adding transitions/effects as well as image enhancements. Also shooting subjects against a green-screen and applying Chroma Key (Premiere Pro does a beautiful job with that) and adding motion backgrounds, layers and music tracks. Exporting finals to H.264 (MP4s). Hosting on Vimeo and embed on websites or Facebook .
It all depends on the type of work you do in Premiere Pro.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 3:02 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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to fit a 4770k in the budget.
I think if you read up you will see an 8350 is actually prefered by many for Adobe Programs due to the 8 cores vs 4.
ETA: That being said, and after I did some more digging, it does seem you can cut back on the GPU that I listed.
ETA 2: LINK
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/7/14 at 3:12 pm to tigerpawl
If you do wind up getting the 8350, I would highly recommend the ASUS sabertooth 990fx board. These chips require good, clean power delivery to maximize performance. And if you aren't familiar with overclocking you should start reading up. There is a lot of extra, free performance on these chips when you have the right components surrounding them.
I have an 8350 on the sabertooth board, 2x8GB g.skill trident at 2400mhz (like stout said you will get better performance and better overclocks by populating only 2 DIMM slots) and a sapphire vapor-x 290. I am a full time graphic designer (photoshop, illustrator, after effects, premiere pro, blender, C4D) so this machine makes my living and I must say it does a pretty awesome job.
I have an 8350 on the sabertooth board, 2x8GB g.skill trident at 2400mhz (like stout said you will get better performance and better overclocks by populating only 2 DIMM slots) and a sapphire vapor-x 290. I am a full time graphic designer (photoshop, illustrator, after effects, premiere pro, blender, C4D) so this machine makes my living and I must say it does a pretty awesome job.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 3:20 pm to BoogerNuts
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I would highly recommend the ASUS sabertooth 990fx board
There aren't any features on the Sabertooth he won't get on any other 990FX board unless he is water cooling and doing extreme overclocking maybe. It would literally be a waste of money as any 990FX board is going to allow him to do any overclocking he can on air cooling. I have had the Sabertooth and the one I listed in the build. No difference in the two in that regard.
Actually, for the price of the Sabertooth, the ASRock Extreme 9 is the better board for overclocking because it has 12 + 2 power phase design.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 3:30 pm to stout
To me it is a must to overclock these chips especially when render times are important. It's almost silly not to, as there is a lot of free performance to be had. That's why I recommended that board. I haven't heard anything negative about the asrock, but the power phases of the sabertooth are plenty sufficient. The only board I think would be wasting money is the Crosshair.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 3:36 pm to BoogerNuts
And again, the Sabertooth offers nothing in regards to overclocking that the Extreme 3 I listed in the build doesn't.
990 chipset is all he needs to worry about.
He is better served spending that $75 difference elsewhere in the build.
990 chipset is all he needs to worry about.
He is better served spending that $75 difference elsewhere in the build.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/7/14 at 3:44 pm to BoogerNuts
quote:FYI... rendering times are one of the main factors for wanting to upgrade.
To me it is a must to overclock these chips especially when render times are important.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 3:50 pm to stout
quote:
990 chipset is all he needs to worry about.
I would definitely NOT say that.
And if you are overclocking that extreme 3 doesn't hold a candle to the capabilities of the saber. The VRMs will likely hold you back at thermal limits and start throttling your chip without much of an OC.
I view my computer as a tool, I use it to make money. So I'm definitely not afraid to spend a little more to give myself some assurance that it is going to be able to do just that reliably, and for as long as possible.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 4:08 pm to BoogerNuts
Look, I am not going to go back and forward over it. You have a Sabertooth and you like it...cool.
It is not going to make that much, if any, of a difference in overclocking over the Extreme 3 and for the money the best overclock board for a 990 chipset is the Extreme 9 due to the power phases.
That being said, he has a budget and he would be better served spending the money on other components than to MAYBE make minimal gains on his overclock.
I have had all 3 boards spoken about and I will tell you that none of it mattered as much as you think. The Extreme 9 was the most stable of them all FWIW.
Side by side by side comparison
LINK
The Sabertooth and the Extreme 3 are virtually identical spec wise. You are paying for buzz words on the Asus Like "Military Grade". What does that even mean on a motherboard? Sorry to burst your bubble but it's true. You get a little more bang for your buck on ASRock. ASUS makes some good looking boards but they do that to distract from the fact that MSI, Gigabyte, and ASRock boards actually have more features for the money.
It is not going to make that much, if any, of a difference in overclocking over the Extreme 3 and for the money the best overclock board for a 990 chipset is the Extreme 9 due to the power phases.
That being said, he has a budget and he would be better served spending the money on other components than to MAYBE make minimal gains on his overclock.
I have had all 3 boards spoken about and I will tell you that none of it mattered as much as you think. The Extreme 9 was the most stable of them all FWIW.
Side by side by side comparison
LINK
The Sabertooth and the Extreme 3 are virtually identical spec wise. You are paying for buzz words on the Asus Like "Military Grade". What does that even mean on a motherboard? Sorry to burst your bubble but it's true. You get a little more bang for your buck on ASRock. ASUS makes some good looking boards but they do that to distract from the fact that MSI, Gigabyte, and ASRock boards actually have more features for the money.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 4:10 pm
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