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Labor-Participation Rate Mired at 36-Year Low. Worst since Jimmy Carter in 1978
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:49 pm
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A better number to focus on is the labor-participation rate, still mired at a 36-year low, at 62.8%. Part of that is simply demographics — as the baby boomers age, they leave the workforce. But the participation rate from those between 25 and 54 also has dropped, to 80.9% without seasonal adjustment in May from 83% seven years ago.
What is clear is that wage growth hasn’t accelerated to any real extent
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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the participation rate from those between 25 and 54
Is there monthly data for this? The only data that was offered in the OP is that it has dropped 2.1% from May 2007 to May 2014.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:59 pm to Asgard Device
But we have millions waiting to take those pesky jobs Americans don't want if only they were citizens
Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:23 pm to NC_Tigah
The new normal. Interesting that you would bring this up on the day that the announcement came out that total employment had finally exceeded pre-recession levels.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 6:45 am to Layabout
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Interesting that you would bring this up on the day that the announcement came out that total employment had finally exceeded pre-recession levels.
You can make you own judgment as to which number is most relevant. I find it interesting the Administration would try to hide its economic failure behind a very misleading stat. I find it disgusting the MSM would not call them on it.
But your post does bring to mind the Parsai quote:
“According to the latest statistics there are five million people in our country who are not working. And there are even more if you count those with jobs.”
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 6:52 am
Posted on 6/7/14 at 7:39 am to Layabout
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The new normal. Interesting that you would bring this up on the day that the announcement came out that total employment had finally exceeded pre-recession levels.
So you're saying it took Ogump almost six years just to get the number of jobs back to the pre-recession level? Not very impressive considering the fact that we need a lot more jobs than that to keep up with population growth. You're really showing your desperation.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:21 am to NC_Tigah
But, but..... there are more jobs than ever!! This can't be true.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:32 am to NC_Tigah
Makes one wonder just how those unemployed folk are getting by, huh NC. Probably the 'community organizer version, backed up by QE. And the debt clock just keeps whirring. I just can not imagine.....where the hell this all goes to. God help us.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:34 am to Layabout
If you believe that this has to be the "new Normal" you shouldn't have drank all the kook aid. This guy named Obama and his admin. Is destroying middle class jobs. But I'm sure you will keep on preaching just what your told to.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:36 am to real
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kook aid
Nice!!
Was that intentional or just a typo that worked out well?
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:04 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Bush's fault?
I know you're joking, but when does it become Obama's fault? Anyone with half a brain can see the economy is stagnant. Of course, we are each influenced in our opinions by what we see around us, but even in an area that is heavy in oil and gas we aren't seeing job growth. People are having to go work offshore or several states away. Which is fine, but many of these jobs will be only for 5-6 more years. As an employer, I have benefitted from stagnant wages keeping overhead down to some degree.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:07 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Part of it is no doubt.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:11 am to RCDfan1950
I have agreed with Krugman on very little, if anything. But it appears that certain aspects of his liquidity trap theory are holding true.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:13 am to TT9
No, it's not. Anyone who believes that spent time in the class intended for Forrest Gump.
The thing that should scare anyone who needs a job is the participation rate of those in the 24-55 range.
It will be much worse shortly in Seattle.
The thing that should scare anyone who needs a job is the participation rate of those in the 24-55 range.
It will be much worse shortly in Seattle.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:15 am to gatorrocks
Bush has about the same intellect as Gump.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:18 am to SmackoverHawg
I think you sorta hit on something, but not necessarily about the topic here. Anyway, two things...
One, I do not think labor participation is really gonna change much and had little to do with government. I think times have changed, a lot of unskilled jobs aren't coming back due to automation, obsolescence, and some being shipped offshore to low wage environments due to globalization and technology making it possible. When I was at PwC about 5 years ago, they were making a huge push during the recession to ship tax preparation of simple stuff to India. My group was mostly unaffected because we were international and didn't do much simple stuff but we had to justify why India couldn't do it.
Second, you hit on wage stagnation. Corps are seeing record profits and ceo's record pay because they don't have to pass it on to employees. They have been able to keep employees wages stagnant and they, like yourself, will keep doing so until bidding for talent happens again at mid levels. Not sure what the catalyst for that will be.
Personally, my old company gave me about a 5%,raise each of the last two years because that was the norm in the broader market for my position. They even backed it up by showing me the work from the firm they had to do the industry research and the average raise was 4%.
They knew I was worth more, but thought they could just give me a bit more than the norm. I interviewed a month later with another firm for a 30% raise which I got the next day. Bidding wars for talented people is the only thing that will change stagnant wages.
One, I do not think labor participation is really gonna change much and had little to do with government. I think times have changed, a lot of unskilled jobs aren't coming back due to automation, obsolescence, and some being shipped offshore to low wage environments due to globalization and technology making it possible. When I was at PwC about 5 years ago, they were making a huge push during the recession to ship tax preparation of simple stuff to India. My group was mostly unaffected because we were international and didn't do much simple stuff but we had to justify why India couldn't do it.
Second, you hit on wage stagnation. Corps are seeing record profits and ceo's record pay because they don't have to pass it on to employees. They have been able to keep employees wages stagnant and they, like yourself, will keep doing so until bidding for talent happens again at mid levels. Not sure what the catalyst for that will be.
Personally, my old company gave me about a 5%,raise each of the last two years because that was the norm in the broader market for my position. They even backed it up by showing me the work from the firm they had to do the industry research and the average raise was 4%.
They knew I was worth more, but thought they could just give me a bit more than the norm. I interviewed a month later with another firm for a 30% raise which I got the next day. Bidding wars for talented people is the only thing that will change stagnant wages.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:35 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
That's why we need to abolish min wage and benefits tied to employment. Govt should provide all minimum forms of welfare. Otherwise we will keep seeing a drive by corporations toward automation.
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