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Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:10 am
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:10 am
I've been planning on doing this for a while, but before I do I want to make sure I do it right so I figured I would ask for some suggestions here.

First question would be desktop or no desktop? I have a 13" Macbook 2007 model that still runs perfectly. I am going back and forth with trying to find a good docking station setup to just make this my base, but I have been unsuccessful in doing so.

From that I want to get a good router, that will support a good number or devices and an external hard drive. I have read numerous places that you can plug an external into some routers and basically create your own cloud or server.

That's the beginning. Eventually I want to expand, possibly adding a receiver for my surround sound that could connect to my iTunes through the wireless network (don't know if that's even possible, would be though) and a few other devices like that.

Hope to get some good insight and suggestions. TIA


ETA: Also, What external hard drive would you recommend? I have a rugged Lacie that I bought during college for the durability factor. I want to wait until the prices come down on the flash memory external drives but that may be a while.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted by h0bnail
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:20 am to
I would think your MacBook would be sufficient for the router setup, etc.
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:23 am to
Yeah I think so, I just wish I could find a good laptop dock like a lot of Windows laptops have to set up dual monitors and other things of that nature.
Posted by Layabout
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:37 am to
Spend the money to get a good dual-band router with three antennas. 802.11n is solid and will give you 450 Mbps using two bonded channels on the 5.8 GHz band. The emerging 802.11ac standard is about double the cost and speed but from reviews I've read it's not quite ready for prime time at this point. Remember that you only get the higher speeds if your attached devices are also equipped with dual band/three antenna adapters. Most 802.11n laptops operate only at 2.4 GHz with a single antenna so your speed is only slightly higher than 802.11g.

Here's a link to a top of the line Asus router with USB support for a hard drive.

LINK
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:53 am to


That router is about the same price that I was looking at anyway.

I had been looking at a Netgear router with two antennas at 2.5? I think.

LINK
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 11:55 am
Posted by Layabout
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

I had been looking at a Netgear router with two antennas at 2.5? I think.


Same class of router and same max speeds. The Netgear does have three antennas, they're just enclosed where you don't see them. I do own the Asus router and recommend it highly.

To get the max speed of 450 Mbps I bought external D-Link adapters for two of my PCs.

LINK
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:12 pm to
That's good stuff man, Thank you.

You wouldn't happen to know anything about the docking station for my mac now would you?
Posted by Layabout
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

You wouldn't happen to know anything about the docking station for my mac now would you?

Sorry, don't know anything about Macs.
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:30 pm to
How long do you think it will take the flash memory hard drives to come down on price?

I have a Lacie rugged TB now, but I want to get a flash memory instead of the disk.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:32 pm to
apple doesn't offer docking stuff that I am aware of.

You can buy third party products that support thunderbolt to dock all of your devices. But your macbook doesn't offer thunderbolt (unless you added it).
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

How long do you think it will take the flash memory hard drives to come down on price?


they are dropping in price every month. and are already really cheap.

apple charges a premium for their stuff, you can add third party products to your apple device though, i dunno how to do that though.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:38 pm to
Keep in mind that the ASUS router he linked has USB 2.0 ports, so regardless of your frequency and client adapter, any interfacing with your networked USB drive will be bottlenecked by USB 2.0's 280 Mbit/s (35 MB/s) effective throughput, assuming you can even hit close to the theoretical 450mbps throughput on a single device (if your macbook is the only real PC in the house, it will be the only device that's theoretically capable with the appropriate adapter anyway). If your primary use of the home network will be to access a networked USB device, don't feel like you need to rush out and get even a "great" router, or a triple-antenna (with 3 spatial streams per antenna) adapter.

There are routers with USB 3.0 (assuming you have or will get a USB 3.0 external drive), but you'll need to read reviews that focus on the USB 3.0 interface to be sure that:
a) the ports are shielded. USB 3.0 uses a spread-spectrum with high noise and can cause interference if unshielded. This is generally only a problem with the 2.4GHz band, though.
b) There isn't still a significant bottleneck due to the router's chipset itself when dealing with large data files from USB to network.

The ASUS linked above is not a bad router at all, but buying it primarily for a USB-based home server might be a waste, especially if we're just talking about one computer and some tablets/phones with only 2 or 3 people actively using the network at any given time. If you want a true home "cloud" with the highest throughput possible, a NAS is the way to go obviously. You'll just be spending a lot more for an effective NAS and capable hard drives.

If you're serious about a home server for local storage access, you might want to consider an AC router. The IEEE 802.11ac standard was approved this year, companies are continuously releasing firmware updates, and there are plenty of perfectly capable AC routers on the market. It's, of course, more expensive than the ASUS N900 router (but not twice as expensive). If paired with an appropriate client adapter, would give you much higher throughput over wifi if you ever decided to go with a true home server/cloud using a NAS, for example.

But, if you are simply trying to pair a bunch of mobile devices and one single PC with one USB hard drive (and that's your ultimate goal), that ASUS would be fine and perhaps overkill. Ultimately, as I said, don't feel the need to rush out and buy top of the line equipment just so your Macbook and a few iPads/Rokus/iPhones can talk to a USB 2.0 external drive.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 12:41 pm
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:02 pm to
Thanks for the post, a lot of good info in there.

1) I am currently using a router that I borrowed from a friend, well I guess you could call him a "friend" since I'm using his equipment, so it's not like I'm looking to replace an existing router. I just want to purchase a good one on my first go around so that I don't have to replace it any sooner than necessary.

quote:

If you're serious about a home server for local storage access, you might want to consider an AC router. The IEEE 802.11ac standard was approved this year, companies are continuously releasing firmware updates, and there are plenty of perfectly capable AC routers on the market. It's, of course, more expensive than the ASUS N900 router (but not twice as expensive). If paired with an appropriate client adapter, would give you much higher throughput over wifi if you ever decided to go with a true home server/cloud using a NAS, for example.


At what point, would you feel, is it necessary to make the jump from a USB-based home server to a NAS? The majority of the time, yes, it will just be a couple tablets, phones, and one true PC operating on the network. However, I would like to remotely access my files if I were away from home for instance. Would this be possible with just a USB based server or would I need to upgrade?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

At what point, would you feel, is it necessary to make the jump from a USB-based home server to a NAS? The majority of the time, yes, it will just be a couple tablets, phones, and one true PC operating on the network. However, I would like to remotely access my files if I were away from home for instance. Would this be possible with just a USB based server or would I need to upgrade?


As far as speed goes, you certainly would not need to upgrade, because when remotely accessing your home files via the internet, the bottleneck then becomes your upload speed from the ISP, or your download speed wherever you're accessing the files. You can access the USB drive remotely with ftp and using the router’s Internet port IP address. Whatever router you get will likely have instructions for doing that.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

As far as speed goes, you certainly would not need to upgrade, because when remotely accessing your home files via the internet, the bottleneck then becomes your upload speed from the ISP


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Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:31 pm to
Great, this definitely clears some things up for me. I'm kinda learning a lot of the tech stuff as I go so I am loving this new board.

I would assume I would be able to play movies and other stuff I would keep on my external on my appletv and iPad. The VLC app is pretty awesome for the iPad.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

The IEEE 802.11ac standard was approved this year,


was the draft approved or full standard?

how does this really stack up against the main wifi villians; interference from other routers & consumer devices like microwaves?

i'm still a cat6 man. i dont like network hiccups.
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

i'm still a cat6 man. i dont like network hiccups.


If you're referring to having everything hardwired, that is what I would prefer as well, but I'm currently renting an older house. It's nice, don't get me wrong, but I really don't want to crawl through the attic to rewire the entire house and the internet line only runs to one room.

When I eventually build a house it will be done the right way, that I can assure you. I will still have the external networked though to be able to access it remotely by IP.
Posted by LSUDropout
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

was the draft approved or full standard?


I believe the standard was approved in January of this year.

quote:

how does this really stack up against the main wifi villians; interference from other routers & consumer devices like microwaves?


802.11ac only operates in the 5Ghz spectrum, which is typically suffers from much less interference than the 2.4Ghz spectrum. Bluetooth, Microwaves, etc. no longer pose any issue.

Wireless networks have come a long way, but wireless is still a half duplex shared medium which is susceptible to many more issues than a traditional wired network. For most home users however, the latest wireless standards probably provide more than enough speed/reliability.
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 2:22 pm to
So another problem that arises if you make your external accessible from remote locations is that your IP address would be broadcast for all the world to see. Wouldn't that make it easier for people to mimic your mac address and then access your internet browsing history and see everything you look at? I.E. bank statements that you view, etc.?
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