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Kyler: Asik could be put in a "give away" trade
Posted on 5/28/14 at 5:47 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 5:47 am
Per Steve Kyler
Kyler is pretty plugged in to the NBA FYI so I thought this was worth sharing.
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Houston would trade almost anything not named Dwight Howard and James Harden to get at Anthony and they would go all in on a contract too," Kyler wrote on Tuesday. "There has been talk that Houston has offered up Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin in a 'give away' trade that could include their draft pick in the first round or a roster player like Terrence Jones to get those salaries off the books."
Kyler is pretty plugged in to the NBA FYI so I thought this was worth sharing.
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This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 5:49 am
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 7:19 am to LosLobos111
I'm assuming that would mean they want to take on non-guaranteed contracts and the like to clear out space for Melo (lol).
I don't think we have that to offer them.
I don't think we have that to offer them.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 7:20 am to LosLobos111
What do we have to offer in this situation?
Posted on 5/28/14 at 7:45 am to Fun Bunch
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I'm assuming that would mean they want to take on non-guaranteed contracts and the like to clear out space for Melo (lol).
The ONLY way this works is the unrealistic scenario of getting Gordon to agree to opt out if traded. I could see the Knicks having more interest in Gordon than Asik for 1 year with what they currently have on the roster. No way they take him and screw up their 2015 cap space if he doesn't agree to opt out. Basically tell Gordon he has 2 choices, to wither on the bench in New Orleans for 2 years behind Austin Rivers and Brian Roberts and lose his "team leading, tone setting, max worthy" status, or go pad his stats for a bad team with the biggest stage in the NBA before his next contract. That's actually kind of a compelling argument
Posted on 5/28/14 at 8:25 am to TigerinATL
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The ONLY way this works is the unrealistic scenario of getting Gordon to agree to opt out if traded. I could see the Knicks having more interest in Gordon than Asik for 1 year with what they currently have on the roster. No way they take him and screw up their 2015 cap space if he doesn't agree to opt out. Basically tell Gordon he has 2 choices, to wither on the bench in New Orleans for 2 years behind Austin Rivers and Brian Roberts and lose his "team leading, tone setting, max worthy" status, or go pad his stats for a bad team with the biggest stage in the NBA before his next contract. That's actually kind of a compelling argument
Our only hope now is a complicated trade involving multiple teams. That doesn't mean it won't happen, but it's not likely.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 8:28 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Our only hope now is a complicated trade involving multiple teams
Our only hope of Gordon for Asik has always been a complicated trade involving multiple teams. Gordon for Asik is not the same as Gordon for anything else. The hope for Gordon is that there is more cash than talent this offseason which hopefully means someone will feel he's a better option than not using their cap space.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 8:30 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 8:29 am to TigerinATL
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That's actually kind of a compelling argument
It might be, but I don't think Gordon is stupid enough to think he can get $15M in 2015 from any other team. Secondly, a guy who has missed as many games as he has over the last few years (except last year)isn't worried about withering away on the bench. I hope I'm wrong.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 8:32 am to adono
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I don't think Gordon is stupid enough to think he can get $15M in 2015 from any other team
I used to think that, but his ridiculous response to being a 6th man saying he was brought here to lead and set the tone make me wonder just how delusional this kid is. I think he will look at the money Gordon Hayward and Lance Stephenson get this offseason and think he deserves at least that much.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 8:33 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Our only hope now is a complicated trade involving multiple teams
Gordon is overpaid, but he isn't Villanueva bad. Telling him they're going to sit him behind Rivers/Roberts is very risky move filtered through Davis or Evans or Holiday's eyes.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 8:40 am to corndeaux
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Telling him they're going to sit him behind Rivers/Roberts is very risky move
I don't think Demps is ruthless enough to do it. He might say it, but he wouldn't do it. Monty would do it though if Gordon pissed him off. That's a man that's not afraid to cut off his nose to spite his face.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:48 am to OceanMan
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What do we have to offer in this situation?
Melvin Ely's deal, which is non-guaranteed and has a paper trade value of $1.4m.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:49 am to TigerinATL
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I think he will look at the money Gordon Hayward and Lance Stephenson get this offseason and think he deserves at least that much.
If I were him, I'd look at how much money Evan Turner gets coming off a disappointing stint with the Pacers.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:53 am to teke184
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If I were him, I'd look at how much money Evan Turner gets coming off a disappointing stint with the Pacers.
It sounds like you don't know how to lead and set the tone for an organization.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:10 am to TigerinATL
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It sounds like you don't know how to lead and set the tone for an organization.
Neither does Gordon.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:21 am to TigerinATL
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It sounds like you don't know how to lead and set the tone for an organization.
ETA LINK
Gordon and Lin to NY
Carmelo in a S&T with Houston
Asik and Felton to NOLA
For us to be part of this trade, I think we'd either have to give up something good like Ryno or take something bad like Felton.
Here, NY gets Lin back and a SG, Houston gets Melo and we get Asik. Unrealistic, but best I got.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 11:31 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 12:14 pm to Suntiger
If they were to give away Asik it not be in the Western conference let alone their division.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 12:21 pm to LosLobos111
I got it...
Houston sends us Asik + 1st rounder
We send EG + houston's 1st rounder to Detroit
Detroit sends [random team] Greg Monroe for something.
Houston sends us Asik + 1st rounder
We send EG + houston's 1st rounder to Detroit
Detroit sends [random team] Greg Monroe for something.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 12:27 pm to Suntiger
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For us to be part of this trade, I think we'd either have to give up something good like Ryno or take something bad like Felton.
If Felton goes to the pokey on gun charges, does that mean we can invalidate his contract?
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 5/28/14 at 12:38 pm to 504ByrdGang
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If they were to give away Asik it not be in the Western conference let alone their division.
They already tried getting value for him and failed. Remember, they are getting Melo in this scenario, what they foolishly believe is the missing piece. Where Asik ends up is not one of Houston's top concerns in a Melo deal. What would make or break this deal from our perspective is would someone else give something more desirable than an opted out Gordon and taking back Felton or giving up a future pick. Considering you'd be trading for the worst year of Asik's contract (expiring and a balloon payment), I'm not sure how many teams would trade much of value considering Houston couldn't move him before.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 12:40 pm to teke184
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If Felton goes to the pokey on gun charges, does that mean we can invalidate his contract?
I don't know. I was just looking at the CBA FAQ and it didn't say anything about suspension affecting the cap. I would think at the very least him going to jail lets you void the last year of his deal a la a medical retirement. If he doesn't go to jail, he might not be a bad 3rd guard. He's only 29, and while he had a bad year last year, he had a lot of personal stuff going on (soon to be ex wife caught him cheating and he allegedly waived an unregistered gun around while arguing with her).
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