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re: X-Men Days of Future Past Thoughts and Reviews (With Spoilers)

Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:09 am to
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:09 am to
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This movie was a bit of a clusterfrick in parts that you really needed to read the comics to follow.


This movie didn't follow any of the comics. It took the basic plot from the Days of Future Past story, but that's about it. You needed to see the previous three X-Men movies to get the full effect. Reading the comics wouldn't help.

(Except for the Easter egg after the credits.)
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57306 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:40 am to
Saw this last night:

1. Overall pretty good
2. Had its funny moments (some unintentional resulting from poorly delivered lines - odd timing of certain actions on screen - editing)
3. The plot was
somewhat convoluted but adequate considering the time traveling bit. There were obvious plot holes that accompany introducing overpowered characters (First, Quicksilver "Peter Petrelli'ed" the story basically. Second, if Mystique's DNA is so powerful the possibilities of a true "Peter Petrelli" threat will always loom. Third, time travel corrections will forever be a threat in this universe which makes me less invested in any future story - the "Hiro" effect)
4. The action/fights.- aside from key moments was average considering the genre - but that's how Singer rolls
5. The material was heavier/darker - teetering at times on melodramatic - but Singer tends to be melodramatic at times


Overall the movie was good, met my expectations, but was flawed.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108296 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:16 am to
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I don't think DOFP had a clear storyline going for it either.


Professor X sends Wolverine back in time to guide his past self from preventing the apocalypse. Clear plot.

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In the beginning, what was Xavier's motivation for being a drunk?


He's had to choose between his powers and walking, and he's lost his sister who is now on a path of vengeance.

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What's Magento's motivation for killing Mystique? All he had to do was get her out of the situation, and boom- they don't have her DNA.


Yeah, but what is Mystique going to do after this? Going to continue to go out and about fighting for mutant rights. It's pretty inevitable that she'll eventually be captured, and then experimented on.

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More than anything else, you already have 2 movies(or 3) that have absolutely no mention of the Super Sentinals yet being set far in future of this one. If they green-lighted this Sentinal program, it surely would have put into place after the first X-men movie. How was Mystique even alive for X1 X2?



Judging from how advanced the Sentinels are in the future, it seems like they would take decades to create and make them that advanced.

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They basically sacrificed First Class to include Hugh Jackman and Wolverine.



Wolverine was not the focus of the film. It's still all about the young Xavier, Mystique, and Magneto. Wolverine is just a catalyst to get the plot going. He wasn't even in the climax of the film.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12126 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:49 am to
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There is actually an after-credits scene in X3 where it's implied that Xavier transferred his consciousness to his brain dead twin brother before Phoenix killed him. Apparently his brother was born brain dead because Charles' brain was so powerful he basically took all of his brainpower. So he saved himself by moving himself over to his body before dying. He's a twin so he looks the same.


The "future" professor X in DOFP is professor X in his twin brothers body.



I was about to post the "I don't believe you gif" and decided to google it and this real? what the hell? I have never seen that seen and it is dumb to boot. If this scene is real and should be taken as real, why is his brother also paralyzed instead of his new body being able to run around?

As far as people trying to convince me that this is better than AS2, it won't work. I thought this was solid but not the world beater that is getting 90%+ on rotten tomatoes now.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108296 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:01 am to
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I was about to post the "I don't believe you gif" and decided to google it and this real? what the hell? I have never seen that seen and it is dumb to boot. If this scene is real and should be taken as real, why is his brother also paralyzed instead of his new body being able to run around?



It's why I really don't care about the overall continuity in this series. Why should Singer have to work around some other guy's frick-ups when it leads to a worse movie.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 10:17 am
Posted by CrippleCreek
Member since Apr 2012
2345 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:32 am to
Once the events in 73 were substantially altered to the point that the big display of sentinel power was used etc., why did the future timeline remain constant on its course from when raven killed trask?

I guess it's got something to do with Ellen page's powers, but it doesn't make any sense at all why nothing changed until the mission was complete then all of a sudden everything changed.

Time travel stories are always so flimsy.

Quicksilver was also too powerful. Abandoning him was boneheaded.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 10:35 am
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12126 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:51 am to
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Once the events in 73 were substantially altered to the point that the big display of sentinel power was used etc., why did the future timeline remain constant on its course from when raven killed trask?

I guess it's got something to do with Ellen page's powers, but it doesn't make any sense at all why nothing changed until the mission was complete then all of a sudden everything changed.


I took it as Wolverine had to be there in his old body to help with all of it or it wouldn't have worked, but once he was thrown into the water and Xavier was full of hope again, the future should have been changed as there was nothing else to be done. I guess you could argue that everything was still fluid and could go either way but there was nothing that Logan could do at that point and the future was changed but that wouldn't have made for as good as a movie.

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Quicksilver was also too powerful. Abandoning him was boneheaded.



Yeah, i liked his character though. He was played well and his scenes were humorous and well done. I really think it is a shitty deal to have quicksilver in Avengers also and played by different people. You would think that Marvel would have cast one of them to play the role.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:56 am to
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Marvel would have cast one of them to play the role.
its out of Marvel's hands
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 10:56 am
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9436 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:35 am to
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Once the events in 73 were substantially altered to the point that the big display of sentinel power was used etc., why did the future timeline remain constant on its course from when raven killed trask?

I guess it's got something to do with Ellen page's powers, but it doesn't make any sense at all why nothing changed until the mission was complete then all of a sudden everything changed.

Time travel stories are always so flimsy.


I THINK she mentioned somewhere in the beginning that nothing would happen until the "journey" was complete and the person she sends back returns.
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9436 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:36 am to
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If this scene is real and should be taken as real, why is his brother also paralyzed instead of his new body being able to run around?


I didn't even think about that
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80115 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:09 pm to
To the poster that mentioned Onslaught, doesn't Age of Apocalypse occur because an assassin trying to kill Magneto kills Charles instead?

No Xavier, no Onslaught.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:59 pm to
i think you misread why i mentioned Onslaught. Also, Apocalypse plays a small role in the Onslaught saga


and Age of Apocalypse is a different universe
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 1:51 pm
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31582 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 1:24 pm to
I think Joss Whedon dropped the ball when he put Quicksilver in Avengers 2. Why did he want them so bad? Seems like he could have put better characters in it and save the weird "Miracles" thing
Posted by HollierThanThou
Member since Jan 2012
6209 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 3:38 pm to
For a simple breakdown, IMO this was better than the original trilogy but not as good as First Class. For those Last Stand angered, some of the events were changed as a result of this film so there is that. Also, I was pleased with the way the two different casts/periods were blended. I was very apprehensive going in, but the film really works. One of the better super hero movies I've seen.
Posted by tiger329
Member since Nov 2005
237 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 4:55 pm to
If the "future events" in DOFP occurred after "the Wolverine", how did Logan have his metal claws back after being broken off?
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37263 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:07 pm to
Saw this today.

Everyone knows i was pretty rough on the film going in. I didn't like casting choices, changes in characters, the look of people like Bishop, taking the storyline and changing it, the Sentinels being sort of lame, yeah I could go on...


But I did enjoy it. I don't think it was near X2 or First Class, probably on par with X1 which is still really good. It was nice to Wolverine as a costar essentially. They took a lot of liberties and there are a plethora of holes in the universe now but it was solid. I still think Singer does a terrible job, outside of Magneto, and maybe Blink in this one, of really capturing superheroes on film (the Nightcrawler scene as well), but that's been his MO all along. Competent direction and stories supported by great casting.


My one big, gigantic, massive concern....


This was the chance to reboot this movie and they didn't. In fact, they went out of their way to keep everything the same, which is just disappointing again.


Here was my perfect end:

We wake up with a POV camera from a bed we look at the clock, hear the music (we don't know who we are). Start to walk down the hall, the camera catches a glimpse of ruby glasses, a blur of silver hair, people that we don't know passing. Maybe a blue furry hand, etc. On the door of an office we see a note that says "Hank wanted me to tell you that your bike is fixed. -Jean" The hand drops the note, looks down...

SNIKT! Metal claws pop out.

Then a faint voice rises, British, older.. "Logan, I felt a ripple when you awoke this morning, one that told me this morning is different. Come to my office, we have much to discuss."

FADE TO BLACK


Done. There's your reboot. Even if Jackman is coming back, fine do the same thing have Jackman, recast everyone else.

Missed opportunity to really start fresh (which is what FC was supposed to be too). I mean I like that everyone is back, but I'm not so sure this is a play for the future.

Anyways, small complaint, maybe. If we get the entire cast back for Apocalypse, cool. Marsden is ok, if they actually let him be Scott. I liked the nods to the old characters and didn't all at the same time. But good film. 2nd best comic book movie so far this year.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 5:15 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108296 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 6:38 pm to
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If the "future events" in DOFP occurred after "the Wolverine", how did Logan have his metal claws back after being broken off?


Well, Magneto is with him, so he probably could have helped with that.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108296 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 7:52 pm to
Honestly thinking about it, aside from the Nightcrawler scene, the action in this series hasn't really been all that impressive. It's really the only truly impressive action scene in this series so far, while X-Men should have endless creativity when it comes to action. This really isn't a diss on this film, since it is by far the most plot and drama oriented of all the X-Men films, so there's really no room for it. The climax in this film needed to be simple with it being solely focused on the characters of Magneto, Mystique, and Xavier, and all it was was a hostage situation by Magneto.

You know who should take the reins of this franchise after Singer is finished: Brad Bird. The Incredibles was fantastic to where we know he can do a good superhero film and MI4 was honestly the best action film in years. Even though I only saw that movie once in theaters, I can still pretty vividly remember the action sequences near step by step, and it's been over 2 years since I've seen it. Could you imagine what he could do with this universe? Could we finally get a great Phoenix Saga brought to the screen?
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51578 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:01 pm to
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You know who should take the reins of this franchise after Singer is finished: Brad Bird


I would jizz my pants...He's the director I was hoping would take over Star Wars.

Anyways, I just got out of seeing xmen and I loved it. I was very concerned when Vaughn dropped out (still would've preferred to have him direct this) but Singer really delivered. I'm not sure yet where I'd rank it, but it's definitely towards the top. Really looking forward to Apocalypse.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108296 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:06 pm to
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I would jizz my pants...He's the director I was hoping would take over Star Wars.


He actually was the first choice for the director (Lucas personally approached him about directing), but he'd have to give up filming his own original film "Tomorrowland" in order to do it, so he passed.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 8:11 pm
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