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Someone explain the Donovan/Chandler Paradox
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:24 pm
I am seeing lots of idiotic posts about how Donovan quit on the US team when he took his hiatus last year and missed a few games. That is used as the primary reason to justify Klinsmann's ego play.
Apparently Donovan hasn't shown enough desire by playing 156 times for the US
In that case, how can you (Or Juergen) justify the inclusion of Chandler? THenry brought this up in a post in a diplomatic way, but I this is about the most pissed off I have been when it comes to sports in years. So I am going to just come and say it.
If you support Juergen's decision, attempt to justify how Donovan is a quitter who should be left off the team because he took a few months off and then came back and led the team to an excellent Gold Cup performance, while Timothy Chandler is a winner, a guy who truly wants to be on the US team and contribute to the effort in Brazil.
Otherwise, just be honest and admit that much like Juergen, you are super fricking hypocritical.
Apparently Donovan hasn't shown enough desire by playing 156 times for the US
In that case, how can you (Or Juergen) justify the inclusion of Chandler? THenry brought this up in a post in a diplomatic way, but I this is about the most pissed off I have been when it comes to sports in years. So I am going to just come and say it.
If you support Juergen's decision, attempt to justify how Donovan is a quitter who should be left off the team because he took a few months off and then came back and led the team to an excellent Gold Cup performance, while Timothy Chandler is a winner, a guy who truly wants to be on the US team and contribute to the effort in Brazil.
Otherwise, just be honest and admit that much like Juergen, you are super fricking hypocritical.
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Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:31 pm to Keys Open Doors
If you're half German, you get to just show up and play at the World Cup.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:33 pm to Mr. Shake
quote:You're fricking retarded.
If you're half German, you get to just show up and play at the World Cup.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:34 pm to cwil177
Chill a-hole, I was being facetious. 
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:35 pm to Mr. Shake
Ok my b. I thought you were being serious.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:35 pm to Keys Open Doors
I don't believe Jurgen left Landon off cause he "quit on the team" (which I don't think Landon did in the first place).
Its a combination of Landon's form and tactical reasons. Jurgen may or may not have a problem with Landon but that's speculation and we can't say for sure that it exists.
I don't agree with the decision but I hope Jurgen and the team proves me wrong.
Its a combination of Landon's form and tactical reasons. Jurgen may or may not have a problem with Landon but that's speculation and we can't say for sure that it exists.
I don't agree with the decision but I hope Jurgen and the team proves me wrong.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:35 pm to Keys Open Doors
Chandler is 24 and sees time in the fricking Bundesliga. He can probably practice every day at full speed. He's a young guy who'll be able to run around with these hyper talents, a lot of them who he's face in the Bundesliga, and still be able to walk the next day.
You're not seeing the point. It's not that he left. It's that he left, left a bad impression on a manager who didn't give a shite who he was, and put in a very mundane 6 months leading up to now. Omar Gonzales sums it up the best on the documentary.
If you want to make the plane, you can't whine about what hurts and what you can't do. You have to be out there hustling or get off the pitch. Is this really that world-shattering to you?
When you're a young kid with little history with the team, it's shitty to turn your back on the team, but it affects it very little. When you're the fricking face of US Soccer, you DO NOT make moves like Landon Donovan did and expect to be treated as some sort of hero and leader. You don't show up to camp out of the peak condition that you could be in. He soured his image to Jurgen and didn't do much to mend that, especially leading up to this point. Jurgen told them what he was looking for and that the past meant nothing, and this is how it ended up. He knew it'd be tough to make it, and in the end, he was right.
EDIT: I wanted to add that I think he should be there for veteran reasons, but I'll be cheering like a motherfricker for every man on the squad to prove why Donovan didn't make it.
You're not seeing the point. It's not that he left. It's that he left, left a bad impression on a manager who didn't give a shite who he was, and put in a very mundane 6 months leading up to now. Omar Gonzales sums it up the best on the documentary.
If you want to make the plane, you can't whine about what hurts and what you can't do. You have to be out there hustling or get off the pitch. Is this really that world-shattering to you?
When you're a young kid with little history with the team, it's shitty to turn your back on the team, but it affects it very little. When you're the fricking face of US Soccer, you DO NOT make moves like Landon Donovan did and expect to be treated as some sort of hero and leader. You don't show up to camp out of the peak condition that you could be in. He soured his image to Jurgen and didn't do much to mend that, especially leading up to this point. Jurgen told them what he was looking for and that the past meant nothing, and this is how it ended up. He knew it'd be tough to make it, and in the end, he was right.
EDIT: I wanted to add that I think he should be there for veteran reasons, but I'll be cheering like a motherfricker for every man on the squad to prove why Donovan didn't make it.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:35 pm to rdw1690
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I don't agree with the decision but I hope Jurgen and the team proves me wrong.
This times infinity.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:41 pm to Keys Open Doors
Am I reading it too much or did 3 equally undeserving German Americans make the roster over Landon Donovan? Hmmmm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:41 pm to cwil177
well, I shouldn't have called you an a-hole either. Sorry dude.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:42 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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Am I reading it too much or did 3 equally undeserving German Americans make the roster over Landon Donovan? Hmmmm
That all depends on how much you value fitness.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:42 pm to Keys Open Doors
You mad bro?
Juergen didn't say Landy didn't make it because he was out of shape. Juergen didn't say Landy didn't make it because he quit on the team? Juergen didn't say Landy didn't make it because of his attitude.
But maybe, just maybe, Juergen DID run the national team for the last three years and kind of knows what he is doing?? He coached the German national team to a third place WC finish right? He won a world cup right? He played for Tottenham and Bayern Munich right? He coached Bayern Munich right? OMG, maybe this guy has a plan. Maybe he knows what he is doing. Maybe thats why he made the cuts today to get it over with, and have the 23 start coming together for the three friendlies. Maybe thats not why. I don't know though, I'm not him.
But, you, you've watched the two ESPN specials on the national team. You follow USSoccer on twitter. You watched the gold cup. You were an allstar forward on your high school team. So this makes you qualified to be as hurt in the butt as you have been for the last 2 hours.
Also,Maybe the thought of Brad Evans trying to stop Cristiano scared the piss out of him, and he said, I need a right back with serious skills. Thus Chandler.
Juergen didn't say Landy didn't make it because he was out of shape. Juergen didn't say Landy didn't make it because he quit on the team? Juergen didn't say Landy didn't make it because of his attitude.
But maybe, just maybe, Juergen DID run the national team for the last three years and kind of knows what he is doing?? He coached the German national team to a third place WC finish right? He won a world cup right? He played for Tottenham and Bayern Munich right? He coached Bayern Munich right? OMG, maybe this guy has a plan. Maybe he knows what he is doing. Maybe thats why he made the cuts today to get it over with, and have the 23 start coming together for the three friendlies. Maybe thats not why. I don't know though, I'm not him.
But, you, you've watched the two ESPN specials on the national team. You follow USSoccer on twitter. You watched the gold cup. You were an allstar forward on your high school team. So this makes you qualified to be as hurt in the butt as you have been for the last 2 hours.
Also,Maybe the thought of Brad Evans trying to stop Cristiano scared the piss out of him, and he said, I need a right back with serious skills. Thus Chandler.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:44 pm to Dijkstra
I totally understand why Chandler is going to Brazil. Despite his shadyness in the past, he's in good form and we need him.
I really thought Donovan was finished until he came back and had an excellent Gold Cup. I thought he had proven once again that he's an excellent tournament player.
But, looks like he got out of shape and that looks really bad when you've got 29 other guys there who are dying to get in the final 23. I'm still pissed at Jurgy, but Landon didn't help himself any here.
I guess you always have to think about the future, but dammit this is the World Cup. You take the best players you have. There is no future, only now!
I really thought Donovan was finished until he came back and had an excellent Gold Cup. I thought he had proven once again that he's an excellent tournament player.
But, looks like he got out of shape and that looks really bad when you've got 29 other guys there who are dying to get in the final 23. I'm still pissed at Jurgy, but Landon didn't help himself any here.
I guess you always have to think about the future, but dammit this is the World Cup. You take the best players you have. There is no future, only now!
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:46 pm to Meursault
Also Wondo made the roster over Boyd, so the German American argument is stupid.
Wondo isn't a starter. Nor is he impact off the bench. Boyd is in the best form out of all of our strikers.
Wondo isn't a starter. Nor is he impact off the bench. Boyd is in the best form out of all of our strikers.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:46 pm to Meursault
quote:
Nor is he impact off the bench.
Yes he is
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:47 pm to Dijkstra
quote:
It's not that he left. It's that he left, left a bad impression on a manager who didn't give a shite who he was, and put in a very mundane 6 months leading up to now. Omar Gonzales sums it up the best on the documentary.
If you want to make the plane, you can't whine about what hurts and what you can't do. You have to be out there hustling or get off the pitch. Is this really that world-shattering to you?
When you're a young kid with little history with the team, it's shitty to turn your back on the team, but it affects it very little. When you're the fricking face of US Soccer, you DO NOT make moves like Landon Donovan did and expect to be treated as some sort of hero and leader. You don't show up to camp out of the peak condition that you could be in. He soured his image to Jurgen and didn't do much to mend that, especially leading up to this point. Jurgen told them what he was looking for and that the past meant nothing, and this is how it ended up. He knew it'd be tough to make it, and in the end, he was right.
I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that Landon left a bad impression on Klinsmann after his hiatus. He was phenomenal in the Gold Cup and picked right where he left off in the rest of the WC qualifiers he played in.
He had 30 bad minutes against Mexico and wasn't particularly strong in the 2014 MLS.
Anyone reading your post would think he did so much more to "let down a manager" who clearly had it out for him, instead of a disappointing performance as a substitute against Mexico in a friendly.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:47 pm to Keys Open Doors
It's very obviously personal at this point between the two.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:49 pm to hendersonshands
quote:
Yes he is
No, not really. Haven't all his US goals (all against powerhouses like Cuba, Belize, Guatemala, Mexico's C-team) come from being a starter? Knowing that his spot is a bench spot, I would have preferred Boyd who is in the best form out of all our strikers.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:50 pm to Keys Open Doors
I actually want Chandler on the team. I want him potentially as a starter.
I have said this several times in the past few weeks. He is the only answer to the lethal attacks we will be facing.
But I am consistent. I want the 23 best players. A coach is supposed to call the best 23 and make it work from a chemistry perspective.
I just want to see the people calling Landon a quitter to tell me what Chandler is because those people are making roster choices based on bullshite like "he wants it more". Well Chandler wanted to be a part of the US team as much as Osama Bin Laden until it came to World Cup time.
I have said this several times in the past few weeks. He is the only answer to the lethal attacks we will be facing.
But I am consistent. I want the 23 best players. A coach is supposed to call the best 23 and make it work from a chemistry perspective.
I just want to see the people calling Landon a quitter to tell me what Chandler is because those people are making roster choices based on bullshite like "he wants it more". Well Chandler wanted to be a part of the US team as much as Osama Bin Laden until it came to World Cup time.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:51 pm to Meursault
quote:
No, not really. Haven't all his US goals (all against powerhouses like Cuba, Belize, Guatemala, Mexico's C-team) come from being a starter? Knowing that his spot is a bench spot, I would have preferred Boyd.
When you sub on Boyd, you're subbing on a less polished version of Jozy Altidore.
Wondolowski is a better passer, much more intelligent with his spacing/movement and a much better finisher at this point in their careers.
Boyd will eventually help us out a lot, but he'd be redundant on this squad.
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