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Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:40 am
Posted by carbola
Bloomington, IN
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:40 am
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Interesting read. There is more in the article, but I'll try to quote the parts with statistics.


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Charles Darwin’s signature discovery—first published 155 years ago and validated a million different ways since—long ago ceased to be a matter for serious debate in most of the world. But in the United States, reconciling science and religious belief remains oddly difficult. A national poll, conducted in March for the Associated Press, found that 42 per cent of Americans are “not too” or “not at all” confident that all life on Earth is the product of evolution. Similarly, 51 per cent of people expressed skepticism that the universe started with a “big bang” 13.8 billion years ago, and 36 per cent doubted the Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years.

The American public’s bias against established science doesn’t stop where the Bible leaves off, however. The same poll found that just 53 per cent of respondents were “extremely” or “very confident” that childhood vaccines are safe and effective. (Worldwide, the measles killed 120,000 people in 2012. In the United States, where a vaccine has been available since 1963, the last recorded measles death was in 2003.) When it comes to global warming, only 33 per cent expressed a high degree of confidence that it is “man made,” something the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has declared is all but certain. (The good news, such as it was in the AP poll, was that 69 per cent actually believe in DNA, and 82 per cent now agree that smoking causes cancer.)


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The cost of a simple appendectomy in the United States averages $33,000 and it’s not uncommon for such bills to top six figures. More than 15 per cent of the population has no health insurance whatsoever. Yet efforts to fill that gaping hole via the Affordable Health Care Act—a.k.a. Obamacare—remain distinctly unpopular. Nonsensical myths about the government’s “real” intentions have found so much traction that 30 per cent still believe that there will be official “death panels” to make decisions on end-of-life care.


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Americans have long worried that their education system is leaving their children behind. With good reason: national exams consistently reveal how little the kids actually know. In the last set, administered in 2010 (more are scheduled for this spring), most fourth graders were unable to explain why Abraham Lincoln was an important figure, and only half were able to order North America, the U.S., California and Los Angeles by size. Results in civics were similarly dismal. While math and reading scores have improved over the years, economics remains the “best” subject, with 42 per cent of high school seniors deemed “proficient.”

They don’t appear to be getting much smarter as they age. A 2013 survey of 166,000 adults across 20 countries that tested math, reading and technological problem-solving found Americans to be below the international average in every category. (Japan, Finland, Canada, South Korea and Slovakia were among the 11 nations that scored significantly higher.)

The trends are not encouraging. In 1978, 42 per cent of Americans reported that they had read 11 or more books in the past year. In 2014, just 28 per cent can say the same, while 23 per cent proudly admit to not having read even one, up from eight per cent in 1978. Newspaper and magazine circulation continues to decline sharply, as does viewership for cable news. The three big network supper-hour shows drew a combined average audience of 22.6 million in 2013, down from 52 million in 1980. While 82 per cent of Americans now say they seek out news digitally, the quality of the information they’re getting is suspect. Among current affairs websites, Buzzfeed logs almost as many monthly hits as the Washington Post.


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An aversion to complexity—at least when communicating with the public—can also be seen in the types of answers politicians now provide the media. The average length of a sound bite by a presidential candidate in 1968 was 42.3 seconds. Two decades later, it was 9.8 seconds. Today, it’s just a touch over seven seconds and well on its way to being supplanted by 140-character Twitter bursts.


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Little wonder then that distrust—of leaders, institutions, experts, and those who report on them—is rampant. A YouGov poll conducted last December found that three-quarters of Americans agreed that science is a force for good in the world. Yet when asked if they truly believe what scientists tell them, only 36 per cent of respondents said yes. Just 12 per cent expressed strong confidence in the press to accurately report scientific findings. (Although according to a 2012 paper by Gordon Gauchat, a University of North Carolina sociologist, the erosion of trust in science over the past 40 years has been almost exclusively confined to two groups: conservatives and regular churchgoers. Counterintuitively, it is the most highly educated among them—with post-secondary education—who harbour the strongest doubts.)


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But are things actually getting worse? There’s a long and not-so-proud history of American electors lashing out irrationally, or voting against their own interests. Political scientists have been tracking, since the early 1950s, just how poorly those who cast ballots seem to comprehend the policies of the parties and people they are endorsing. A wealth of research now suggests that at the most optimistic, only 70 per cent actually select the party that accurately represents their views—and there are only two choices.


Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:44 am to
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A YouGov poll conducted last December found that three-quarters of Americans agreed that science is a force for good in the world. Yet when asked if they truly believe what scientists tell them, only 36 per cent of respondents said yes. Just 12 per cent expressed strong confidence in the press to accurately report scientific findings. (Although according to a 2012 paper by Gordon
I am sure climate change has a lot to do with those numbers.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29310 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:48 am to
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UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has declared is all but certain


This is what makes me more certain that they are incorrect.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:50 am to
A similar article I read this weekend on conspiracy theories.

Newsweek


It is sad to see so many people refuse to believe something that may go against their ideology, and that goes for both sides of ideology.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32697 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:52 am to
People don't trust the people that are supposed to tell them the truth anymore. I don't blame them.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101474 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:53 am to
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42 per cent of Americans are “not too” or “not at all” confident that all life on Earth is the product of evolution.


Seems sort of odd wording to me.
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
4577 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:13 pm to
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found that 42 per cent of Americans are “not too” or “not at all” confident that all life on Earth is the product of evolution.


That's a shame. It should be 100%. Life is not the product of evolution. Evolution affected life and that's obvious, but evolution didn't produce life.

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and 36 per cent doubted the Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years.


Yet again another goofy question. The Earth has been around since the beginning of the universe. It just took a while for it to come together.

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When it comes to global warming, only 33 per cent expressed a high degree of confidence that it is “man made,” something the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has declared is all but certain.


The reason this article was written is to get this fact out.
Posted by carbola
Bloomington, IN
Member since Aug 2010
4308 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:16 pm to
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The reason this article was written is to get this fact out.




Climate Change/AGW/whatever you want to call it, is literally brought up 1 time in the entire article. On top of that, it's towards the beginning. So I'll disagree with you on that
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2005
31765 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:25 pm to
There is a reason we follow the pack with respect to industrilized nations around the world.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89562 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:26 pm to
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Evolution affected life and that's obvious, but evolution didn't produce life.


Well they can't say, "Life sprang from nothingness, apparently at random" - and they don't believe in G-d, so I guess they have to say, "Big Bang, evolution and blahblah."

What else do they have?
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19309 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:27 pm to
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Nonsensical myths about the government’s “real” intentions have found so much traction that 30 per cent still believe that there will be official “death panels” to make decisions on end-of-life care.


In light of the "secret lists" exposed as being used at some VA facilities to cover up what's going on (and eventually to determine who lives and who dies), are those myths really "nonsensical"? (Something tells me that the percentage may go up from the 30 percent reported.)
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
4577 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:35 pm to
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So I'll disagree with you on that


That's fine.

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Yet when asked if they truly believe what scientists tell them, only 36 per cent of respondents said yes. Just 12 per cent expressed strong confidence in the press to accurately report scientific findings.


There's the backup factoid. If you don't believe climate disruption is man made, you're a dumb American who doesn't trust scientists (who may have a political agenda and won't release their data.)

ETA: I'd suggest that the 36% who blindly believed what a "scientist" would tell them are the real dumbasses here.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69313 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:39 pm to
Carbola, my libertarian friend, why would you post something that trashes free market health care
Posted by NikolaiJakov
Moscow
Member since Mar 2014
2803 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:40 pm to
I take the statistics to mean completely opposite of what he thinks they mean. To me it means there are more independent thinkers in America than anywhere else in the world.

And given our voting record through the last 8 years, that should scare the piss out of every last resident of Planet Earth.

Edit: I re-read that and maybe it's not clear. the fact that the majority of our voters are uninformed voting blocs doesn't bode well if we are the most free-thinking people in the world. How bad must it be in other countries?
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:42 pm
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
4577 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:51 pm to
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the fact that the majority of our voters are uninformed voting blocs


The irony is that many of the low information voters probably gave responses that put them in the author's "smart" category.

Here a a list of things stupid people don't believe. Unless you believe them, you join the stupid crowd.
Posted by carbola
Bloomington, IN
Member since Aug 2010
4308 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:52 pm to
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Carbola, my libertarian friend, why would you post something that trashes free market health care




I never said I agree with it all, but I did think it was interesting enough to post on here. Hell I'm pretty sure I fall into some these statistics that the author is trying to bash
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7771 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 2:07 pm to
"The same poll found that just 53 per cent of respondents were “extremely” or “very confident” that childhood vaccines are safe and effective. (Worldwide, the measles killed 120,000 people in 2012. In the United States, where a vaccine has been available since 1963, the last recorded measles death was in 2003.) "

fricking sad.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89562 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 2:50 pm to
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"The same poll found that just 53 per cent of respondents were “extremely” or “very confident” that childhood vaccines are safe and effective. (Worldwide, the measles killed 120,000 people in 2012. In the United States, where a vaccine has been available since 1963, the last recorded measles death was in 2003.) "

fricking sad.


Pharmaceutical companies only have themselves to blame - we've gone from just a couple of vaccines over the first few years, to 7 in the first 2 months. Adverse reactions are, understandably, up, but they treat parents with concerns deplorably. Using Thimerosol (particularly as long as they did) is just another silly decision that left them open to criticism.

Obviously, vaccines have done far, far more good than harm, and I believe they're generally safe and effective. However, the companies have not done an effective job in education (leaving all of that to the CDC, essentially - and they don't make much money on vaccines, so they don't care) and, as I practiced in pharmaceutical and medical device law for several years, my trust in the companies and the FDA system, ostensibly in place to protect us, is quite low.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 2:55 pm to
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This is what makes me more certain that they are incorrect.





Because when scientists declare things are bad they are always wrong. they're just a bunch of nerds trying to spoil the fun for everyone.

i miss all the lead in the environment. those were the days.

remember back when you didn't have to buy cigarettes - you could just walk into any public library or hospital and breathe enough 2nd hand smoke to get a fix? fricking scientists ended all of that.

assholes.




This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 2:57 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89562 posts
Posted on 5/21/14 at 4:05 pm to
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remember back when you didn't have to buy cigarettes - you could just walk into any public library or hospital and breathe enough 2nd hand smoke to get a fix? fricking scientists ended all of that.



It's rare that I agree with Spidey, but when I do, it is usually emphatic agreement. Endorsed, upvoted and
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