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White House Wants to Lift Ban on Interstate Tolls
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:23 am
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Drivers on the nation’s Interstates could soon be paying more to travel.
A transportation proposal sent to Congress by the Obama administration on Tuesday would remove a prohibition on tolls for existing Interstate highways, clearing the way for states to raise revenue on roads that drivers currently use at no cost.
Yeah our tax dollars don't go to roads...
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Congress banned tolls on Interstates in 1956 when it created the national highway system under President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
The administration said lifting the toll ban would help address a shortfall in funding to pay for highway repairs. The tolls, along with other changes, could provide an additional $87 billion for aging roadways, tunnels and bridges, the administration said
I'd be for this but for one selfish reason. Tolls would reduce traffic on the interstates.
However, I know what Democrats see. They see a subsidy, a toll subsidy for low income people. Thus making my point about reducing traffic on interstates moot.
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:26 am to GumboPot
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roads that drivers currently use at no cost.
WTF is this shite?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:26 am to GumboPot
Well as cars become more fuel efficient, the upkeep for the highways must be paid for in some way. I'm ok with this. It's an actual use tax.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:27 am to GumboPot
Why is road construction do much more expensive now? Concrete and steel prices? China building shite too now?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:28 am to GumboPot
I don't think a usage tax in the form of tolls for existing highways will be any more popular than a fuel tax.
As automobiles become more fuel efficient, the fuel tax revenue has dwindled. At some point, they'll have to figure out how to generate tax revenue on the usage of electric vehicles.
I don't think this is the answer.
As automobiles become more fuel efficient, the fuel tax revenue has dwindled. At some point, they'll have to figure out how to generate tax revenue on the usage of electric vehicles.
I don't think this is the answer.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:30 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:29 am to C
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Well as cars become more fuel efficient, the upkeep for the highways must be paid for in some way. I'm ok with this. It's an actual use tax.
Do you believe that these tolls will be used for what they are supposed to be used for?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:30 am to GumboPot
If we had a highway system like the autobahn sure but the American highway system is utter shite.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:31 am to member12
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I don't think a usage tax in the form of tolls for existing highways will be any more popular than a fuel tax.
a fuel tax is probably more efficient way to raise revenue, as heavier cars that are harder on roads pay more.
I see why it would be unpopular though.
I think tolls on interstates are long overdue. The cars most likely to cause traffic problems (older models, shady drivers) are less likely to drive if they have to pay a toll.
I think we need congestion based pricing, to alleviate traffic issues.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:32 am to Paluka
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Do you believe that these tolls will be used for what they are supposed to be used for?
Make it a requirement I guess. I'm not trying to solve corruption and out of control spending but I agree with this approach in theory.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:32 am to GumboPot
OR...we just use the gas/diesel tax for it's intended purpose rather than using it as a giant slush fund.
If they go to a toll system, the federal fuel taxes better be either eliminated or drastically reduced.
If they go to a toll system, the federal fuel taxes better be either eliminated or drastically reduced.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
Ya, I'm all for tolls whose revenues go to the upkeep of said road.
Of course, instead it will go to other shite, or for building your own mini-police department fiefdom like the Crescent City Connection money went to.
Of course, instead it will go to other shite, or for building your own mini-police department fiefdom like the Crescent City Connection money went to.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:33 am to Paluka
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Do you believe that these tolls will be used for what they are supposed to be used for?
That's an interesting way of thinking about it. Wouldn't the government be more inclined to add lane capacity in areas with congestion since it would translate into more revenue?
You can't track the fuel tax as easily, and people will pay it regardless of what route they take.
I can also see how the rail lobby would love this.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:35 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:33 am to GumboPot
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White House Wants to Kill Interstate Trade
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:35 am to member12
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Wouldn't the government be more inclined to add lane capacity in areas with congestion since it would translate into more revenue?
I think not addressing the issues around congestion stem from funding issues, not political will.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:35 am to Hawkeye95
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I think tolls on interstates are long overdue. The cars most likely to cause traffic problems (older models, shady drivers) are less likely to drive if they have to pay a toll.
I think we need congestion based pricing, to alleviate traffic issues.
Yeah, increased surface street traffic is the perfect way to solve it.
Next thing you know, the govt will be looking for ways to collect more money due to a decrease in toll revenue. Like I said, use the federal fuel taxes for their intended purpose.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:36 am to Hawkeye95
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I think we need congestion based pricing, to alleviate traffic issues.
This will work great until we get toll subsidies.
It's like open borders. Open borders are fine without a healthcare and welfare system for non-citizens to take advantage of.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:38 am to upgrayedd
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Like I said, use the federal fuel taxes for their intended purpose.
earlier I said I think the fuel tax would be a more efficient way to address the issue. But it probably needs to be increased.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:41 am to Hawkeye95
Yeah, it doesn't cost anything to fill tank up with overpriced gasoline to travel.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:43 am to member12
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As automobiles become more fuel efficient, the fuel tax revenue has dwindled.
State and local fuel tax revenue 1977-2011
(thousands of dollars)
1977 9,163,553
1982 10,619,673
1987 16,156,344
1992 22,958,092
1997 28,094,363
2002 33,044,249
2004 34,943,572
2005 35,766,701
2006 36,979,404
2007 37,849,041
2008 38,960,918
2009 37,830,022
2010 37,937,514
2011 41,227,355
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This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:45 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:46 am to GumboPot
Good way to track your movements
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