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The Case for Ra'Shede Hageman
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:22 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:22 am
Ra'Shede is a 6'6 311 lb specimen. Probably could even bulk up a few more lbs as his body fully matures. He's a physical specimen with outstanding length. Very long arms, very strong w/ 32 reps, and plays mean. Would be a versatile defensive lineman that could probably line up at every position in our front. His presence in certain packages as a bookend could even free up Cam Jordan to play without his hands off the ground in certain positions. Almost like an extra player at the OLB spot in certain plays.
We have good quality and decent depth on the D line but D line is an area where you can not have enough numbers. He has some lofty comparisons to JJ Watt, John Henderson, Jason Hatcher etc.
Ra'shede's potential is unlimited. The Saints coaching staff under rob ryan has shown a great ability to coach up and harness the skills of the D line players. Bunkley's number next year can make him a cap casualty. Jenkins may be starting quality but not a sure thing for the future, he's a great rotational player to have at this time. Cam Jordan's contract will be coming up quickly followed by Hicks. May be hard to resign both of Hicks' growth makes him an elite player in this league.
Hageman could be in a great spot on our roster to contribute immediately yet not be relied upon as a starter. We have great guys on the D that can tutor him along.
If available, i'm not sure he's a guy we can pass up.
We have good quality and decent depth on the D line but D line is an area where you can not have enough numbers. He has some lofty comparisons to JJ Watt, John Henderson, Jason Hatcher etc.
Ra'shede's potential is unlimited. The Saints coaching staff under rob ryan has shown a great ability to coach up and harness the skills of the D line players. Bunkley's number next year can make him a cap casualty. Jenkins may be starting quality but not a sure thing for the future, he's a great rotational player to have at this time. Cam Jordan's contract will be coming up quickly followed by Hicks. May be hard to resign both of Hicks' growth makes him an elite player in this league.
Hageman could be in a great spot on our roster to contribute immediately yet not be relied upon as a starter. We have great guys on the D that can tutor him along.
If available, i'm not sure he's a guy we can pass up.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 10:24 am
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:23 am to Chad504boy
Dude is a monster! I'd like to see him in the mid-late rounds.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:25 am to Chad504boy
If he's available at 27, I would run to podium.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:26 am to SnoopALoop
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I'd like to see him in the mid-late rounds.
He's a first round player. He's not lasting to mid rounds. He'd be a steal for a team if he lasts to late first early 2nd. I doubt he'd get into the 2nd round though. Dude could be gone late teens early 20's though. Word has it GB loves his potential in the Saints talk Official Mock Draft.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:26 am to Chad504boy
chad where do they think he'll be drafted? early rounds?
welcome back btw
welcome back btw
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:26 am to Chad504boy
wouldnt mind, but he would be more of a luxury at this point.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:28 am to Chad504boy
Have you been sitting on a stash of topics and are now unloading them all on us? You will soon beat out Patio for must threads.
Yes, I am down for this dude. If he can be a force at NT and switch to DT in 4-3, then take him
Yes, I am down for this dude. If he can be a force at NT and switch to DT in 4-3, then take him
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:28 am to Lester Earl
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wouldnt mind, but he would be more of a luxury at this point.
semi luxury if you look at immediate needs. You look 12 months out with bunkley probably cut, it's a player that would have a bright future with our roster also being this kid is a bit raw and may not be ready to be a full time day 1 starter.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:29 am to chrisman17
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If he's available at 27, I would run to podium.
it wouldn't do you any good, you don't have the authority to draft on the behalf of the saints
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:30 am to Chad504boy
even if bunkley's cut, we still have john jenkins and Hicks to play inside. Granted Hick's flexibility gives us some options. Which is why i say i wouldnt totally mind
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:30 am to Midget Death Squad
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Have you been sitting on a stash of topics and are now unloading them all on us?
There have been a number of topics i've been pondering.
I'm still typing up my "ha ha assholes saints weren't interested in kenny britt at all" thread.
followed by "blues, where's our 3 million dollar kicker thread"Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:32 am to Chad504boy
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ha ha assholes saints weren't interested in kenny britt at all
touchy subject. be careful
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:32 am to Lester Earl
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even if bunkley's cut, we still have john jenkins and Hicks to play inside. Granted Hick's flexibility gives us some options. Which is why i say i wouldnt totally mind
Lets say we have 3 spots on the line. Jordan is down to sure up 1. Hicks is pretty Hageman like that can play inside/out. Jenkins is inside that could be a full time starter, not sure. Either way, being 3 deep at those 2 spots on the line is kind of a must these days. I like our depth at this point but looking out with bunkley cut and hicks may or may not be affordable... it's a great position to be plentiful at.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:41 am to Chad504boy
I like him as a prospect but I haven't seen as much film as I'd like. Most of the stuff I've read says he's got a high ceiling but a long way to go.
List of weaknesses from NFL.com draft profile
List of weaknesses from NFL.com draft profile
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Weaknesses Wide gap between physical ability and performance on tape. Green eyes, instincts and understanding of blocking schemes. Motor idles. Too often lets his pads rise and exposes his frame. Does not play to his length. On skates vs. double teams. Hand use needs work. Unsophisticated counters and pass-rush moves. Aimless pass rusher in need of a plan. Minimal, inflated sack production. Still learning to convert speed to power. Does not dominate single blocking. Needs more glass in his diet. Could require simple assignments. Motivation and coachability should be examined more closely. Will be 24-year-old rookie. Has a glaring bust factor.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:43 am to Chad504boy
DT may be the position the Saints are worst at drafting. If Bunkley is healthy and going to be sticking around then there are greater needs.
But I also know that under Payton and Loomis they have been inclined to take the best player on the board. So, if it is him then I could defiantly see him being taken by the Saints in Rd 1.
But I also know that under Payton and Loomis they have been inclined to take the best player on the board. So, if it is him then I could defiantly see him being taken by the Saints in Rd 1.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:43 am to Chad504boy
I actually heard good things about this guy. Wouldn't mind seeing him drafted, but we have more pressing issues such as ILB and WR.
Still need a corner too.
Still need a corner too.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:45 am to Chad504boy
Hicks 2.0
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:49 am to Chad504boy
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I'm still typing up my "ha ha assholes saints weren't interested in kenny britt at all" thread.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:53 am to The Calvin
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Hicks 2.0
Except Hicks was a huge get in the 3rd round. This would likely have to be a 1st rounder.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:06 am to Patrick O Rly
Raw but talented, just a matter of how high and real you grade his potential. More likely gone than available at #27 prolly.
Scouting report blurbs-
Hageman is obviously well rounded, but he could stand to get more consistent. Hageman can take over games at times, but also has some quiet stretches. For the NFL, it would probably help him to improve his conditioning.
Hageman has great versatility for the NFL after playing a wide variety of techniques at Minnesota. He could play 4-3 defensive tackle and even some left defensive end in heavy sets. Hageman would be a great fit in a 3-4 defense because he has the ability to play defensive end or nose tackle. Hageman is a good fit as a five-technique (defensive end) or zero-technique (nose tackle).
Hageman will be one of the hottest prospects in the 2014 class in the spring. He will tantalize evaluators with his freakish athleticism and superior physical dimensions, but his game tape doesn't match his natural talent at this time. Although Hageman's production has been solid over the past two years, he hasn't dominated elite competition consistently. Additionally, he has shown an unrefined game that needs some touch-up work by a quality NFL defensive line coach.
Based on his size, athleticism, versatility and overall potential, I believe Hageman will get drafted much higher than his film grade would suggest. While I would rate him as a second-round player (rotational player with the potential to start by the end of his first season), I believe several teams will view him as a late first-round talent based on his upside and potential. If he puts in the work on the practice field and film room, Hageman could be the kind of difference-maker that transforms a good defense into a great one. However, there is no guarantee that he will ever reach his potential despite his remarkable talent, which is why he could fall into the "boom-or-bust" category by draft day
Hageman was a tight end in college who converted to the defensive line as a redshirt freshman. Still quite raw, he improved by leaps and bounds each year, and in 2013 was a Third-team AP All-American and first-team All-Big Ten selection. He led Minnesota with 13.0 tackles for loss last season in addition to 38 tackles, 2.0 sacks and one interception. For his career he notched 91 tackles, 24.0 tackles for loss, 10.0 sacks, two fumbles forced and one pick.
Critics note he needs to play with better leverage, and that he will be a tad old for a rookie at 24. However, there is no denying Hageman’s pure skills and that he has the potential to be a home run selection for whichever team drafts him.
Some concerns that have been said about Hageman in the past is what can seem like an off-again, on-again level of motivation. When he's focused, he's utterly dominant, but he isn't displaying that kind of effort on every play. At the same time, a quality support structure around him and an outstanding defensive line coach can help continue building his technique and his focus.
In the right environment, it wouldn't be surprising to see Hageman end up one of the better 3-technique defensive tackles or 5-technique defensive ends in the NFL.
Scouting report blurbs-
Hageman is obviously well rounded, but he could stand to get more consistent. Hageman can take over games at times, but also has some quiet stretches. For the NFL, it would probably help him to improve his conditioning.
Hageman has great versatility for the NFL after playing a wide variety of techniques at Minnesota. He could play 4-3 defensive tackle and even some left defensive end in heavy sets. Hageman would be a great fit in a 3-4 defense because he has the ability to play defensive end or nose tackle. Hageman is a good fit as a five-technique (defensive end) or zero-technique (nose tackle).
Hageman will be one of the hottest prospects in the 2014 class in the spring. He will tantalize evaluators with his freakish athleticism and superior physical dimensions, but his game tape doesn't match his natural talent at this time. Although Hageman's production has been solid over the past two years, he hasn't dominated elite competition consistently. Additionally, he has shown an unrefined game that needs some touch-up work by a quality NFL defensive line coach.
Based on his size, athleticism, versatility and overall potential, I believe Hageman will get drafted much higher than his film grade would suggest. While I would rate him as a second-round player (rotational player with the potential to start by the end of his first season), I believe several teams will view him as a late first-round talent based on his upside and potential. If he puts in the work on the practice field and film room, Hageman could be the kind of difference-maker that transforms a good defense into a great one. However, there is no guarantee that he will ever reach his potential despite his remarkable talent, which is why he could fall into the "boom-or-bust" category by draft day
Hageman was a tight end in college who converted to the defensive line as a redshirt freshman. Still quite raw, he improved by leaps and bounds each year, and in 2013 was a Third-team AP All-American and first-team All-Big Ten selection. He led Minnesota with 13.0 tackles for loss last season in addition to 38 tackles, 2.0 sacks and one interception. For his career he notched 91 tackles, 24.0 tackles for loss, 10.0 sacks, two fumbles forced and one pick.
Critics note he needs to play with better leverage, and that he will be a tad old for a rookie at 24. However, there is no denying Hageman’s pure skills and that he has the potential to be a home run selection for whichever team drafts him.
Some concerns that have been said about Hageman in the past is what can seem like an off-again, on-again level of motivation. When he's focused, he's utterly dominant, but he isn't displaying that kind of effort on every play. At the same time, a quality support structure around him and an outstanding defensive line coach can help continue building his technique and his focus.
In the right environment, it wouldn't be surprising to see Hageman end up one of the better 3-technique defensive tackles or 5-technique defensive ends in the NFL.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 11:21 am
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