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REPUBLICANS expand ObamaCare
Posted on 4/6/14 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 12:49 pm
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WASHINGTON (AP) - At the prodding of business organizations, House Republicans quietly secured a recent change in President Barack Obama's health law to expand coverage choices, a striking, one-of-a-kind departure from dozens of high-decibel attempts to repeal or dismember it.
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No member of the House GOP leadership has publicly hailed the fix, which was tucked, at Republicans' request, into legislation preventing a cut in payments to doctors who treat Medicare patients.
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 12:59 pm to theunknownknight
Sounds like more of a fix than an expansion. Gues they realized that their chances of killing it soon were slim to none so went with the next best thing.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 12:59 pm to theunknownknight
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to expand coverage choices
This would be a good thing right?
Let's be realistic..the actual ACA isn't going anywhere. But it can be amended and changed through legislation...rather than repeal it which currently isn't possible, you should pick out the bad parts and basically reform the law into
1. Basically our old system before the ACA
2. A new, improved system by getting rid of mandates and creating more choices, cheaper basic coverage plans, among other things.
It's easier to reform something broken, then they can keep calling it "Obamacare" but in reality you could completely overhaul it and the new product be a shell of what it was once was...just keeps the same name.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:00 pm to theunknownknight
Well it is the law of the land, right?
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:03 pm to theunknownknight
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expand ObamaCare
eh, this is in fact the opposite of an expansion of obamacare.
the change permanently undoes one of obamacare's provisions- a cap on deductibles. this will allow more high-deductible plans which were to be made illegal
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:10 pm to theunknownknight
Establishment Republicans love Obamacare because of the amount of power, control, and government growth it creates.
They might say they oppose it publically, but behind closed doors they like it
They might say they oppose it publically, but behind closed doors they like it
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:13 pm to 90proofprofessional
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the change permanently undoes one of obamacare's provisions- a cap on deductibles. this will allow more high-deductible plans which were to be made illegal
High-deductible plans were the best thing going in insurance prior to the ACA. But this will make the ACA even less financially feasible than it already is.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:13 pm to 90proofprofessional
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the change permanently undoes one of obamacare's provisions- a cap on deductibles. this will allow more high-deductible plans which were to be made illegal
High-deductible plans were the best thing going in insurance prior to the ACA. But this will make the ACA even less financially feasible than it already is.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:18 pm to Antonio Moss
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But this will make the ACA even less financially feasible than it already is.
do agree
however high-deductible plans being legal again also takes away a powerful piece of the argument for repeal
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:21 pm to Antonio Moss
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High-deductible plans were the best thing going in insurance prior to the ACA.
I agree. And in fact it was worth repeating. Oh, wait . . .
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:22 pm to VOR
Huh????
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:22 pm to 90proofprofessional
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however high-deductible plans being legal again also takes away a powerful piece of the argument for repeal
I see no realistic scenario in which the ACA is repealed. I do think it's going to be substantially amended and adapted to circumstances over the next few years.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:24 pm to VOR
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I see no realistic scenario in which the ACA is repealed
i don't see how the cost will be sustainable
if there is another rise in costs, i'm out. i can't afford more than $300/month and a high deductible
i know i'm not the only one
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:25 pm to 90proofprofessional
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the change permanently undoes one of obamacare's provisions- a cap on deductibles. this will allow more high-deductible plans which were to be made illegal
what was once a "high deductible" plan is now a "low deductible" plan...or at least standard
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't see how the cost will be sustainable
that's were substantial amendments come in to play if that turns out to be the case.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 1:29 pm to VOR
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that's were substantial amendments come in to play if that turns out to be the case.
the costs are the costs
you can't amend out the cost of treatment under the policy of expanding care to the poor and sick
you either have to have people with money pay more, or people without money pay more. one is not sustainable. the other would be a repeal of the law itself
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:12 pm to goldennugget
[quote]Establishment Republicans love Obamacare[/quote
So thats the reason they all voted for it!
Thanks for the clarification..care to name these "establishment Republicans"?
Do you even think before you post shite like this?.
So thats the reason they all voted for it!
Thanks for the clarification..care to name these "establishment Republicans"?
Do you even think before you post shite like this?.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the costs are the costs
you can't amend out the cost of treatment under the policy of expanding care to the poor and sick
you either have to have people with money pay more, or people without money pay more. one is not sustainable. the other would be a repeal of the law itself
For the record, is it your position that the ACA cannot be amended (and I'm using that term in its broadest sense) to address costs? Seriously?
And your last paragraph doesn't really make sense.
But you can win. I'm going to watch a movie with my wife. Happily, I have a life.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:20 pm to RD Dawg
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So thats the reason they all voted for it!
Thanks for the clarification..care to name these "establishment Republicans"?
Do you even think before you post shite like this?.
Just because they didn't vote for it doesn't mean they don't support it
Think of all the votes Nancy Pelosi had when she was speaker, and how they would always pass on a 217-216 margin. That's because she would allow her caucus to not vote for a bill that would hurt them politically, even though they likely supported it
Same with the debt ceiling, lots of establishment Republicans voted to end the filibuster on raising it yet vote against raising the debt ceiling. Classic bait and switch
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:43 pm to goldennugget
Well, if they removed the cap on deductibles that's a good thing. High deductible plans are the only ones that actually resemble insurance. Everything else is prepaid health care, with the hope that maybe you'll get more back than whatever you put in, which completely destroys any incentive for the end user to save costs on the selection of actual services.
The idea that a high deductible plan is somehow "junk" just shows that the persons saying that don't know what insurance is.
The idea that a high deductible plan is somehow "junk" just shows that the persons saying that don't know what insurance is.
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