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4-4-2 diamond use and Beckerdreads as an offensive sub
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:49 am
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:49 am
Seen a few blogs/articles this morning about the diamond formation.
Bradley looks so good there and really dominated for long stretches.
Frankly, getting Bradly further forward for more games would be great. He can't do it with Jones as we know they just don't work that way (or Jones doesn't at least). Its also obvious that the diamond may be suicide against teams like Germany, and may not be our preferred 90 minute formation.
Saw a few suggestions that Beckerman come in for Jones if we are in need of a goal. Push Bradley further up and move into the diamond formation. I think thats a pretty good idea. If we're tied or winning though, especially as the game gets later and it opens up, I think Beckerdreads lack of athleticism could open us up too much against the Germany/Portugals of the world.
What say you? Does this have full use tactical potential? Opponent specific? Game/scoring necessity specific?
Bradley looks so good there and really dominated for long stretches.
Frankly, getting Bradly further forward for more games would be great. He can't do it with Jones as we know they just don't work that way (or Jones doesn't at least). Its also obvious that the diamond may be suicide against teams like Germany, and may not be our preferred 90 minute formation.
Saw a few suggestions that Beckerman come in for Jones if we are in need of a goal. Push Bradley further up and move into the diamond formation. I think thats a pretty good idea. If we're tied or winning though, especially as the game gets later and it opens up, I think Beckerdreads lack of athleticism could open us up too much against the Germany/Portugals of the world.
What say you? Does this have full use tactical potential? Opponent specific? Game/scoring necessity specific?
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:52 am to Tigerstark
As I said in the other thread, if we go with a diamond to start Beckerman is the man to play deep over Jones because of his positional discipline which allows Bradley to go forward. Jones is just too all over the place sometimes. And yes Beckerman is not a great athlete but to me it's reassuring to know he will be there to cover the CBs and not 30 yards too far up the field, hauling arse to get back and picking up a yellow.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:54 am to etm512
Clearly we can't go diamond with Jones.
So you think a diamond should be our default/main formation? And Beckerdreads a starter over Jones?
So you think a diamond should be our default/main formation? And Beckerdreads a starter over Jones?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:59 am to Tigerstark
I worry about playing two strikers against top class teams. We're going to need the extra midfielder just to not be overrun.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:13 am to uway
yuppp. that formation would be insanity against germany or portugal and probably ghana. we probably did it just to give their scouts something else to think about.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:14 am to uway
Well if our "strikers" are Deuce and Jozy, then you will see Deuce drop back a little on D and Bradley plays box to box.
Don't know if we are rolling with the diamond or just experimenting. It was encouraging in spells.
Don't know if we are rolling with the diamond or just experimenting. It was encouraging in spells.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 9:15 am
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:17 am to etm512
Diamond won't work against good teams with our personnel.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:20 am to etm512
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It was encouraging in spells
So if we're down 1-0 to Germany in the 63rd minute (in our usual 4-2-3-1)and need a point to advance out of the group, do you make the switch? Did you see enough potential (and need) for Bradley to be up there for our offense? Is this our "rally" formation? Something to use tactically when its needed?
Bradley controlled the first half on offense and defense. And Mexico largely had to circumvent him in the second half. That they got 2 goals shows why we can't play that formation for 90 against Germany (or really anyone with a pulse).
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:21 am to hendersonshands
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Diamond won't work against good teams with our personnel
That's what I fear but I do love any formation/tactics that allow Bradley to go forward. Whether it's the diamond or someone paired with him in the 4-2-3-1 that will stay at home.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:25 am to etm512
The last thing we want to do is leave Beckerman on an island against a guy like Özil, and I like Beckerman. We all want Bradley to be able to get forward more but the fact is we will have to play pretty conservatively against all teams in our group.
Omar Gonzalez being the cover for Beckerman against elite attacking mids makes my anus bleed.
Omar Gonzalez being the cover for Beckerman against elite attacking mids makes my anus bleed.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:29 am to Tigerstark
This is what my pro club uses in FIFA so you know its good.
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:32 am to hendersonshands
Besler is clearly our best CB. i hope someone steps up and displaces Omar in these next few *gulp* weeks.
honestly, against the teams we'll be playing, we should probably play 3 of Bradley, Jones, Beckerman, and Cameron centrally. i think Cameron should play RB, but i know others disagree with me.
honestly, against the teams we'll be playing, we should probably play 3 of Bradley, Jones, Beckerman, and Cameron centrally. i think Cameron should play RB, but i know others disagree with me.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:32 am to Tigerstark
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Frankly, getting Bradley further forward for more games would be great. He can't do it with Jones as we know they just don't work that way (or Jones doesn't at least).
Is Jones retarded? Why can't Klinsmann just get him to stay in position?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:54 am to cwil177
It's a different position all together.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:03 am to hendersonshands
It will never happen, but I wish JK would bring back Bocanegra just so we could have someone with WC experience on the backline. Hell, Boca in his current form is probably still better than Omar.
I've been giving Omar the benefit of the doubt ever since he dominated in the Azteca, but last night was the last straw.
I've been giving Omar the benefit of the doubt ever since he dominated in the Azteca, but last night was the last straw.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:03 am to hendersonshands
DM? He keeps trying to go forward but he is consistently one of our worst passers.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:05 am to cwil177
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Is Jones retarded? Why can't Klinsmann just get him to stay in position?
Hasn't Klinsmann said that that they work it out on their own?
If he did, then these conversations go like this:
"What do you want to do?"
"I want to do this."
"Ok, I'll do that."
And frick it, I'll say something that may actually be controversial. Three man midfield mentioned above: Beckerman, Jones, and Bradley. Either move Clint out wide left with Johnson behind him or drop him.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:07 am to joey barton
we're on the same page, joey.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:07 am to cwil177
Eh. Jones is not easy to judge on this team. IIRC he cost us in some qualifiers by giving the ball away cheaply at midfield. Sometimes he just doesn't seem that interested. On the flip side, if he's really motivated maybe he tries to do too much offensively. He could be useful against the likes of Germany and Portugal, though. He's tough and experienced, and I guess still athletic enough to hang.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:09 am to joey barton
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And frick it, I'll say something that may actually be controversial. Three man midfield mentioned above: Beckerman, Jones, and Bradley. Either move Clint out wide left with Johnson behind him or drop him.
Are you saying here that Bradley would be playing in the middle of a 4-2-3-1? Because I would be ok with that midfield 3. Jones could move forward because Beckerman would support.
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