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The FDA Has Declared a "War on Beer"
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:22 pm
or at least efficient use of beer waste, which will raise the cost of beer
those motherfrickers
i wonder if the pro-organics and believers in natural environmental disposals will fight this or fall in line with biggov
those motherfrickers
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As anyone who's ever brewed their own beer knows, the process leaves a lot of excess ... stuff. This goopy aftermath of the brewing process is known as "spent grain," and it would generally go to waste. But many brewers have developed relationships with farmers, who feed the spent grain to cows and other livestock. It's a win-win: Farmers get cost-effective feed, while brewers cut down on environmental waste and also possibly make some extra cash (or at least save cash by not having to dispose of the spent grain).
Obviously, this won't do.
Under new rules proposed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, breweries would be required to dry and package spent grain before it could be given or sold to farmers to use as feed. Both brewers and farmers are upset by the proposal, which they say would pose a big financial burden and also just generally makes no sense.
i wonder if the pro-organics and believers in natural environmental disposals will fight this or fall in line with biggov
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Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
That's the last fricking straw, these assholes need to go. 
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
fricking busy bodies. Can't leave well enough alone...they just can't.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
This article is incomplete.
Why are they having to do this?
Has there been some type of horrible event that has caused the new regulation?
Why are they having to do this?
Has there been some type of horrible event that has caused the new regulation?
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
How does the FDA have jurisdiction over breweries?
Or, maybe the don't...they have jurisdiction over pig farms?
I don't understand the perceived danger of using the spend grain as pig food.
Or, maybe the don't...they have jurisdiction over pig farms?
I don't understand the perceived danger of using the spend grain as pig food.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:32 pm to upgrayedd
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Why are they having to do this?
progressive ideology requires constantly moving forward. the question is why haven't they been doing this for decades?
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:34 pm to upgrayedd
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This article is incomplete.
Why are they having to do this?
Has there been some type of horrible event that has caused the new regulation?
Have to click through:
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Leftover brewing grains have been fed to livestock since the dawn of agriculture, so this is a pretty radical shift. The proposed new requirements for animal feed handling stipulate that the feed has to be dried, analyzed and packaged before being donated to farmers (the spent grains are generally given away at the end of the brewing process), at substantial expense.
LINK
Still not enough information, but this already sounds like a giant waste of time for everyone involved. But the FDA probably gets to analyze it!
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:35 pm to Freauxzen
listen
big government cannot proclaim they are saving us from shite they make up unless they stop the behaviors before that bad shite ever happens
big government cannot proclaim they are saving us from shite they make up unless they stop the behaviors before that bad shite ever happens
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:37 pm to Freauxzen
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Have to click through:
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Leftover brewing grains have been fed to livestock since the dawn of agriculture, so this is a pretty radical shift. The proposed new requirements for animal feed handling stipulate that the feed has to be dried, analyzed and packaged before being donated to farmers (the spent grains are generally given away at the end of the brewing process), at substantial expense.
I saw that but it didn't say what they needed to analyze it for.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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progressive ideology requires constantly moving forward. the question is why haven't they been doing this for decades?
You make a good pt there
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:38 pm to upgrayedd
same reason why we have to ask why they weren't pushing for gay rights like they do now, in the 80s
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:41 pm to Freauxzen
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Still not enough information, but this already sounds like a giant waste of time for everyone involved. But the FDA probably gets to analyze it!
And Big Ag gets to sell more grain to pig farmers.
I would bet this is where the pressure is coming from, Big Ag.
This post was edited on 3/29/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's all about control. These frickers want to use regulations to control and destroy business. That's what happens when u have unchecked bureaucracies who feel the need to constantly "do something"
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:43 pm to deltaland
i'm thinking of starting to start calling these non-existent dangers that government has to regulate behavior to prevent, cthulhus
oh we need to ban e-cigs b/c we have no information that they're dangerous but one day we may find a cthulhu? REGULATION!
oh we need to ban e-cigs b/c we have no information that they're dangerous but one day we may find a cthulhu? REGULATION!
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:43 pm to upgrayedd
quote:quote:
Have to click through:
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Leftover brewing grains have been fed to livestock since the dawn of agriculture, so this is a pretty radical shift. The proposed new requirements for animal feed handling stipulate that the feed has to be dried, analyzed and packaged before being donated to farmers (the spent grains are generally given away at the end of the brewing process), at substantial expense.
I saw that but it didn't say what they needed to analyze it for.
Yeah that should matter, but I doubt there's a productive reason for it.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:44 pm to upgrayedd
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Why are they having to do this?
Has there been some type of horrible event that has caused the new regulation?
As a home brewer I will add my 2 cents. Hops are known to be bad for dogs. Could be they are bad for livestock as well, but people generally care more about the family pet than an animal bred for slaughter. This may be the result of some push for "humane" treatment.
That's my best guess. I would've loved to compost my brew waste (and grow my own hops too) but no way I risk killing one of the dogs or cats over it.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:46 pm to AUin02
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As a home brewer I will add my 2 cents. Hops are known to be bad for dogs.
You put hops in your wort after you sparge. There is no hops in spent grain.
ETA: sorry I didn't mean to come off like a dick...this story just make me
.This post was edited on 3/29/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:47 pm to AUin02
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As a home brewer I will add my 2 cents. Hops are known to be bad for dogs. Could be they are bad for livestock as well, but people generally care more about the family pet than an animal bred for slaughter. This may be the result of some push for "humane" treatment.
From the article.
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Leftover brewing grains have been fed to livestock since the dawn of agriculture, so this is a pretty radical shift.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:51 pm to GumboPot
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Dude, you put hops in your wort after you sparge. There is no hops in spent grain.
Derp. I assumed they were talking about the leftovers from fermentation for some reason. I'll show myself out
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we have no information that they're dangerous but one day we may find a cthulhu? REGULATION!
I LOL'd.
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