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Is Monty Really Learning?
Posted on 3/25/14 at 8:24 am
Posted on 3/25/14 at 8:24 am
This is not intended to be a Bash Monty thread, there are plenty of those to go around. But a lot of people buoyed by the recent wins are trying to point to winning basketball as proof that Monty's changing, but I'm still seeing too many bad habits not dying.
It's pretty obvious that this roster is best playing small ball and trying to outscore/outrun teams. But Monty keeps trying to play Stiemsma and Ajinca when we're up against fellow small ball teams. Despite Tyreke's great game last night he had a rough start full of turnovers. Who else started with him? Stiemsma and Aminu, The Unholy Trio
I get wanting to lighten AD's load since he's carrying the team and limit how much banging he has to do, but with the guys available to you last night Goal 1 should have been maximizing AD and Goal 2 should have been maximizing Tyreke. It is a pretty well documented fact that Aminu + Stiemsma minimizes Tyreke, so starting both Stiemsma and Aminu should not have been an option. Babbit or Morrow should have taken the place of either.
Again, this is not intended to be a Monty Bashing thread but an actual evaluation. Bring forth your evidence for either side learing/not learning.
It's pretty obvious that this roster is best playing small ball and trying to outscore/outrun teams. But Monty keeps trying to play Stiemsma and Ajinca when we're up against fellow small ball teams. Despite Tyreke's great game last night he had a rough start full of turnovers. Who else started with him? Stiemsma and Aminu, The Unholy Trio
I get wanting to lighten AD's load since he's carrying the team and limit how much banging he has to do, but with the guys available to you last night Goal 1 should have been maximizing AD and Goal 2 should have been maximizing Tyreke. It is a pretty well documented fact that Aminu + Stiemsma minimizes Tyreke, so starting both Stiemsma and Aminu should not have been an option. Babbit or Morrow should have taken the place of either. Again, this is not intended to be a Monty Bashing thread but an actual evaluation. Bring forth your evidence for either side learing/not learning.
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 8:29 am to TigerinATL
Stiesma getting any mins is absurd. AA should really only play when teams go big. At this point its clear to me that Withey is a mich better option than either if the goal is to take some pressure of AD on def.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 8:29 am to TigerinATL
Good luck. 
Posted on 3/25/14 at 8:30 am to TigerinATL
He's made some baby steps. But he's still stuck. The Miami lineup was revolutionary for him
That link you posted in the other thread is proof that he's thinking about changing but not quite ready to open up
The fact that he started Evans/Aminu/Steimsma v BK without Garnett or Lopez is stultifying.
He still doesn't really think Davis can play center even though the best lineups the team has feature him there. Fishers recap at BW
That link you posted in the other thread is proof that he's thinking about changing but not quite ready to open up
The fact that he started Evans/Aminu/Steimsma v BK without Garnett or Lopez is stultifying.
He still doesn't really think Davis can play center even though the best lineups the team has feature him there. Fishers recap at BW
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He (Davis) was in foul trouble in the first half, but thanks to the personals and rotations, he found himself playing center for the entire fourth quarter and overtime. In that span of 14:21, the Pelicans outscored the Nets by 13 points.
This post was edited on 3/25/14 at 8:32 am
Posted on 3/25/14 at 8:32 am to TigerinATL
I'm not sure if he is learning or not. Our team is playing better, but AD and Tyreke are carrying us. Our offense still sputters in half court sets, but Tyreke has looked so smooth that it's harder to notice. We still can't inbound the ball.
I agree that he shouldn't be playing Tyreke, Aminu, Steimsma together. That dies this offseason though. I don't think either of those two come back. Dell needs to assemble the back end of the roster in a fashion that Monty can't mess up.
I remember you saying that you would be fine with Monty if he started to prove himself, but that the worst situation possible was for us to get hot the last 15 games, giving us a false confidence in Monty. Probably what's happening.
I agree that he shouldn't be playing Tyreke, Aminu, Steimsma together. That dies this offseason though. I don't think either of those two come back. Dell needs to assemble the back end of the roster in a fashion that Monty can't mess up.
I remember you saying that you would be fine with Monty if he started to prove himself, but that the worst situation possible was for us to get hot the last 15 games, giving us a false confidence in Monty. Probably what's happening.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 8:36 am to STEVED00
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At this point its clear to me that Withey is a mich better option than either if the goal is to take some pressure of AD on def.
Withey > Stiemsma but it's a push with Ajinca. Ajinca is a much better rebounder, 17.2% vs 13.5%, but fouls way more (7.0 per 36 vs 4.2) Stiemsma on the other hand has similar rebounding % numbers to Withey but fouls 50% more. People need to stop getting so excited about Withey, he's basically Jason Smith without a proven jumper. That's not bad, especially on a rookie contract, but he's not the center we're looking for, he's part of the committee at best.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 8:37 am to Spitting Venom
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Dell needs to assemble the back end of the roster in a fashion that Monty can't mess up.
I really think this is a key going forward. It's a shame too, because Roberts would be a nice guard to keep if Monty wasn't addicted.
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I remember you saying that you would be fine with Monty if he started to prove himself, but that the worst situation possible was for us to get hot the last 15 games, giving us a false confidence in Monty. Probably what's happening.
Yeah. I'm ok with it though. I don't think Monty being coach is the end of the world as long as AD keeps developing. And I think/hope the Tyreke genie is out of the bottle to the point where Monty can't shove him back in to a <25 MPG role. I don't think Monty is stupid as much as he is scared and only goes with things he trusts. Once someone earns his trust they'll get to abuse it just like Stiememsa, Roberts, Willie Green, etc.
This post was edited on 3/25/14 at 8:41 am
Posted on 3/25/14 at 8:39 am to Spitting Venom
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Dell needs to assemble the back end of the roster in a fashion that Monty can't mess up.
That means ditching Smiht, Steimsma, and one of Withey/Ajinca and adding a tough guy big and perhaps a 4/3. If Monty is insistent on going big, limit his options.
He should keep Aminu/Babbitt as small 4s off the bench for the right price. Of course, this assumes Monty realizes each guys value. That is debatable at this point.
Add a couple of wings and I can roll with a bench featuring Rivers, Anderson, Aminu, Babbitt and a big who can rebound.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 8:39 am to TigerinATL
Hold up. Stop the conversation. Let me call my mind reading friend so we can know for sure...
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:18 am to TigerinATL
The TP just posted a similarly themed article this morning.
LINK
Just because it spell checks doesn't mean it's ready to go
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New Orleans Pelicans coach Monty Williams had been ridiculed by some fans and observers of the team. His coaching methods were questioned and his in-game adjustments, at times, called suspect.
But recently he seems to be pushing all the right bottoms. The Pelicans beat the Brooklyn Nets 109-104 in overtime on Monday, giving them their fourth win in their last five games.
LINK
Just because it spell checks doesn't mean it's ready to go
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:27 am to corndeaux
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That means ditching Smiht, Steimsma, and one of Withey/Ajinca and adding a tough guy big and perhaps a 4/3. If Monty is insistent on going big, limit his options.
You forgot Roberts. It's clear dumbass will start him enough for his qualifying offer to jump to 3m. If we pay Roberts $3M next year I'm going to barf. On the plus side, it probably makes it way more likely for Demps to not extend the QO at that price.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:35 am to TigerinATL
All of the ESPN guys love Monty. I'm not sure they've watched us play. I remember reading one of their rumor segments on the Pelicans future and how Monty's coaching style fits the roster. I know ESPN isn't a great source, especially for small markets, but you would think they would watch a few games before writing articles about how great our coach compliments our roster.
ETA: Here's the segment.
"Monty Williams' future with the Pelicans"
Those observers do not post on PT.
ETA: Here's the segment.
"Monty Williams' future with the Pelicans"
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The New Orleans Pelicans currently have a 26-37 record and are heading for another place in the lottery, although their pick will go to Philadelphia if it lands between 6-14. Some head coaches might be on the heat seat with that record, however that's not the case regarding Monty Williams.
According to Bourbon Street Shots, head of basketball operations Mickey Loomis backs Williams and expects his head coach to return next season.
This makes sense as the team has been dealt several injuries in 2013-14 and that's the main culprit for another losing season. Ryan Anderson, Jrue Holiday and Jason Smith have been out for some time and won't play until 2014-15.
Williams, signed through 2015-16, is a good fit with the players and most observers expect him to be the head coach for a long time.
Those observers do not post on PT.
This post was edited on 3/25/14 at 9:39 am
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:36 am to ShamelessPel
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If we pay Roberts $3M next year I'm going to barf
Hopefully Demps is smarter than that. He's proven he is in the past by declining Smith and Aminu knowing their market value was the same or less than the QO.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:44 am to Spitting Venom
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According to Bourbon Street Shots
y'all big time now fellas.Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:46 am to TigerinATL
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Hopefully Demps is smarter than that. He's proven he is in the past by declining Smith and Aminu knowing their market value was the same or less than the QO.
Is a summer sign-and-trade with Memphis out of the question? Roberts has proven himself as a backup point guard, but with PJ on the rise and a crowded backcourt, swapping for Koufos would be a great roster building move. Not sure if they are still in the market for a bench PG. RTR might know if they would have any interest or if Memphis is still open to trading Koufos.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:53 am to Spitting Venom
I'm getting the vibe that Morrow really wants to stick around, enjoys these guys and the playing time, and has a really great relationship with Rivers. As long as Demps doesn't lowball the hell out of him and gives him a slight pay raise for his performance this season, I expect him to be a Pel.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:58 am to Spitting Venom
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Is a summer sign-and-trade with Memphis out of the question?
He's going to have to make a trade for either a big or wing, he won't have enough cap space for both. Based on the assets we have available you almost have to hope that you can get one or more of our FAs to agree to a S&T. Assuming you're stuck with Gordon, in an ideal world you could do
BRob + Aminu S&T for Wilson Chandler
PJax + Smith for Koufos
MLE for best available SF/Big
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:03 am to ShamelessPel
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As long as Demps doesn't lowball the hell out of him
Demps' hands are going to be tied. We'll pretty much be limited to offering the Bi-Annual exception which means 2/$4. That's not completely lowball because I don't see many teams throwing much more than $3 million at a guy like Morrow, but if a contender wants him they can offer him 2/$6.5 with the Taxpayer MLE. More money and a contender might be too much to pass up. We'll just have to hope that no contender goes after him until they are down to minimums like we saw with Roger Mason Jr.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:06 am to TigerinATL
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Demps' hands are going to be tied. We'll pretty much be limited to offering the Bi-Annual exception which means 2/$4. That's not completely lowball because I don't see many teams throwing much more than $3 million at a guy like Morrow, but if a contender wants him they can offer him 2/$6.5 with the Taxpayer MLE. More money and a contender might be too much to pass up.
Well he's making around around $1m this season. That 2/4 was exactly what I was talking about. Don't play around and offend him by offerin him the minimum. Hand him that 2/4 and say our hands are pretty tied but we needed to get you off that vet min.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:11 am to TigerinATL
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BRob + Aminu S&T for Wilson Chandler
PJax + Smith for Koufos
MLE for best available SF/Big
All three of these would be huge. If Dell could pull off one of the Chandler/Koufos trades you mentioned and use the MLE on whichever position is not addressed, we would be in great shape.
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