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The "religious right" is a boogeyman blown out of proportion
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:56 pm
I always see people complaining about the "religious right" and "social conservatives" etc.
My guess is that the people complaining about the religious right and social conservatives see them as foaming at the mouth angry white trash redneck bible thumpers standing on street corners shouting that people who are gay or commit other sins are going to hell. People who viscously attack non-believers and sinners and show outright hate toward them. And that their Sunday Church services are like klan rallies, full of a pastor at a pulpit spewing hate and anger and a congregation loudly agreeing. AKA people view all people who are social conservatives as Westboro Baptist Church caricatures.
But I go to a Southern Baptist Church and no one at my Church fits that mold. We are all nice, caring people with families and kids, who help each other out and do things to contribute to the community. There isn't any hate that I see. If any of you atheists and those who hate social conservatives and conservative Christians came to my Sunday School class and sat in there you would find normal Americans of different backgrounds who are nice and caring people, not hate filled. Your perceptions would change
This is why I think the media loves to cover Westboro, because they know ignorant people will link the Westboro crazies to all people of religious faith and those who are southern social conservatives. That is the goal
My guess is that the people complaining about the religious right and social conservatives see them as foaming at the mouth angry white trash redneck bible thumpers standing on street corners shouting that people who are gay or commit other sins are going to hell. People who viscously attack non-believers and sinners and show outright hate toward them. And that their Sunday Church services are like klan rallies, full of a pastor at a pulpit spewing hate and anger and a congregation loudly agreeing. AKA people view all people who are social conservatives as Westboro Baptist Church caricatures.
But I go to a Southern Baptist Church and no one at my Church fits that mold. We are all nice, caring people with families and kids, who help each other out and do things to contribute to the community. There isn't any hate that I see. If any of you atheists and those who hate social conservatives and conservative Christians came to my Sunday School class and sat in there you would find normal Americans of different backgrounds who are nice and caring people, not hate filled. Your perceptions would change
This is why I think the media loves to cover Westboro, because they know ignorant people will link the Westboro crazies to all people of religious faith and those who are southern social conservatives. That is the goal
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:58 pm to goldennugget
You can't lump all people religious or not in the same mold as you stated. There are wackos in every group and there are good people in every group. TD stands as a good example.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:58 pm to goldennugget
you know what sucks arse? blue laws.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:59 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
That's his point. You can't. But "the religious right" does.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:02 pm to goldennugget
both sides create stereotype "boogeymen" in this fashion to demonize the "other" group.
the truth is obviously not that simple.
the truth is obviously not that simple.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:02 pm to goldennugget
So long as they don't use the government to legislate their morals (the same being said for progressives), then I have no problem with them. I'm not religious by any means, but I am not some militant atheist who likes to shite all over people's traditions.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:03 pm to goldennugget
The problem is that we have a large portion of society that believe that those Christians don't have the same rights of free speech and beliefs as others. The left screams about "seperation of church and state" because they want those in church silenced in favor of a state that has no moral compass but is all powerful. A state that punishes those who produce, pay taxes personally and in their businesses because they view that when you open a business you must forfeit your first amendment rights in favor of those that aren't paying taxes. They demand so much information about those tax payers and how they spend their money and have made the law that all of their employees must provide a government issued ID and their SS card as proof to work yet they claim that laws requiring an ID to vote are unconstitutional and create an unneccessary burden on the poor minorities that supposedly are unable to obtain them.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:03 pm to goldennugget
Ya think? 
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:07 pm to HempHead
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So long as they don't use the government to legislate their morals (the same being said for progressives), then I have no problem with them. I'm not religious by any means, but I am not some militant atheist who likes to shite all over people's traditions.
I do think some morals need to be legislated. Murder, theft, etc. should be legislated. A lot of people like to say that it is unbiblical to legislate morality. But some things need to be legislated.
As you go down the line and get to issues like gay marriage, abortion, etc. the lines get blurred
As a so called "religious southern social conservative" I think all of that should be left up to the states and federal government should stay out of it as that is the most constitutional view. And if gay marriage/abortion came to a ballot I was voting on I would vote against it. But that is not enough for the gay lobby/abortion unfortunately, they want forced nationwide acceptance.
I do believe that history shows that societies that tolerate homosexuality/abortion(child sacrifice) etc. have fallen. Historical and biblical evidence show that. But if a majority of people in a state want to accept it, we will have to allow it and deal with the consequences.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:07 pm to los angeles tiger
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The left screams about "seperation of church and state" because they want those in church silenced in favor of a state that has no moral compass but is all powerful
This is exactly right.
The entire platform and program of the Left is nothing but lies compounded upon lies to infinity.
There is nothing about their perspective that is remotely true. You can see that whenever they gain any power whatsoever. They then use that power against anyone who disagrees with them.
I used to believe that you could be of different persuasions in America - Right, Left, Moderate - and that we had things that held us in common and could all basically get along. I now see that that is not the case at all. I am no fan of the Right, but those on fhe Left cannot tolerate any dissent whatsoever and they will seek to crush anyone who disagrees with them with the power of the State.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:08 pm to los angeles tiger
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The left screams about "seperation of church and state" because they want those in church silenced in favor of a state that has no moral compass but is all powerful
This is exactly right.
The entire platform and program of the Left is nothing but lies compounded upon lies to infinity.
There is nothing about their perspective that is remotely true. You can see that whenever they gain any power whatsoever. They then use that power against anyone who disagrees with them.
I used to believe that you could be of different persuasions in America - Right, Left, Moderate - and that we had things that held us in common and could all basically get along. I now see that that is not the case at all. I am no fan of the Right, but those on fhe Left cannot tolerate any dissent whatsoever and they will seek to crush anyone who disagrees with them with the power of the State.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:08 pm to goldennugget
I am not a fan of their message at all. I just don't agree, and they rub me the wrong way.
If you spot off about gays, abortion, and how society morals are decaying, I probably won't vote for you.
but the jokes on the voters that do vote this way, b.c they sure as hell don't get anything out of the president or congress. GWB talked the talk but gave them absolutely jack shite in terms of their asks.
Its sorta like feminists and unions with democrats, or even blacks. The dems have a lock, talk the talk but when it comes to legislation they care about, well suddenly it doesn't get passed.
If you spot off about gays, abortion, and how society morals are decaying, I probably won't vote for you.
but the jokes on the voters that do vote this way, b.c they sure as hell don't get anything out of the president or congress. GWB talked the talk but gave them absolutely jack shite in terms of their asks.
Its sorta like feminists and unions with democrats, or even blacks. The dems have a lock, talk the talk but when it comes to legislation they care about, well suddenly it doesn't get passed.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:09 pm to goldennugget
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There isn't any hate that I see. If any of you atheists and those who hate social conservatives and conservative Christians came to my Sunday School class and sat in there you would find normal Americans of different backgrounds who are nice and caring people, not hate filled. Your perceptions would change
I think you make an assumption regarding perceptions based on the ability to argue about topics on this board in a rather open way. In addition, you make it sound like we atheists live in some place where we DON'T run into an mingle with you, your family and your friends on a nearly daily basis. We do. In some cases that's a good thing...in others, not so much. But please don;t pretend that social conservatives make up some fringe percentage of the population and we'd need to run on down to your church on a perfectly good Sunday morning in order to get the "true" picture.
I'm as outspoken an atheist as there is on here, and I've never once suggested that the vast majority of the people I know who are Christians (and nearly everyone I know is, obviously) are not genuinely good people. Individually.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:09 pm to Lsupimp
The problem is that we have groups of people that will not accept others as equal Americans with the same full rights as them. Whether it's some nut in Tenn blathering about a Muslim cemetery or some idiot trying to force a church to break their religious law is crazy. People need to stop forcing their ideas down others throats. If I don;t eat Pork and I do, I cannot tell you to stop selling boudin. if you are against gay marriage, your church need not be forced to perform such ceremonies.
But Civil Rights dictate that we all have the same access to public accommodations. Churches cannot be forced to violate their rules. BYU doesn't play on Sunday that's their rules.
You cannot say all religious right or left is this or that.
But Civil Rights dictate that we all have the same access to public accommodations. Churches cannot be forced to violate their rules. BYU doesn't play on Sunday that's their rules.
You cannot say all religious right or left is this or that.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:10 pm to los angeles tiger
quote:
The problem is that we have a large portion of society that believe that those Christians don't have the same rights of free speech and beliefs as others. The left screams about "seperation of church and state" because they want those in church silenced in favor of a state that has no moral compass but is all powerful.
This is correct. A lot of people want freedom FROM religion, not freedom of religion.
The first amendment was written to prohibit the state from establishing a religion like the Church of England. But in today's modern times it has been warped and twisted to suppress people who want to express their religious views.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:10 pm to goldennugget
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I do think some morals need to be legislated. Murder, theft, etc. should be legislated.
I was speaking more in terms of 'blue laws', I guess. Crimes need to have victims.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:10 pm to HempHead
How can blue laws not be restraint of trade?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:12 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
aren't most blue laws off the books?
growing up, you couldn't buy tampons on sunday where I lived. Craziness.
growing up, you couldn't buy tampons on sunday where I lived. Craziness.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:12 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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People need to stop forcing their ideas down others throats. If I don;t eat Pork and I do, I cannot tell you to stop selling boudin. if you are against gay marriage, your church need not be forced to perform such ceremonies.
You are right but unfortunately a lot of people don't see it this way and that number is growing by the day.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:13 pm to HempHead
Further, I don't believe murder and theft etc laws are examples of legislating morality. They are necessary for a functioning society. Making laws because something is "wrong" and has no victim is probably legislating morality.
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