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Mike Rowe; telling all kids they need college is bad advice

Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:11 am
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57956 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:11 am
Worst advice in the history of the world





quote:

“the absurd belief that a four-year degree is the only path to success.” “We’re lending money we don’t have, to kids who will never be able to pay it back, for jobs that no longer exist,”




Agree?
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 11:23 am
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
32943 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:12 am to
Advice
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79678 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:14 am to
Yes, I agree. He's right.

Contrary to the conventional wisdom, college just isn't for everyone.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 11:16 am
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14854 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:19 am to
I don't know, it's hard to argue against a liberal arts degree. It pretty much universally pulls people out of poverty.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54209 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:21 am to
Agree also.
Posted by Bayou Sam
Istanbul
Member since Aug 2009
5921 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:22 am to
Surely it's bad advice to go into a great deal of debt for a liberal arts degree, or a business degree for that matter. But the problem is that good jobs for which you don't need a degree have been disappearing for well over a generation--and this is one big reason why the price of education has gone up so fast!
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58126 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:23 am to
Very good advice. Common sense is starting to come out.
Maybe they will stay giving kids the option to start a vo-tech program in 10th grade
Posted by Turkey_Creek_Tiger
Member since Dec 2012
12343 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:23 am to
quote:

Yes, I agree. He's right.
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
8147 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:25 am to
I have some friend who went the welding/plumbing/etc. route.

They make comfortable money, and they don't stress about work at all after 5 or on the weekends.

Hard to argue with Mike. College is great if you can get most of it paid for up front, you get a degree that's actually in demand, and you enjoy the job available to you with the degree.
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7769 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:27 am to
He's completely right. Not everyone needs or should go to college. You can make a damn good living as an electrician, welder, or plumber. You also get a 4 year head start in the workforce.

We are not better off as a country because we have a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals with philosophy degrees and $100K in student debt.

That said, I hold 2 degrees and do not regret my decision to go to college. I just realize that college isn't for everyone. Especially, the marginal student who got pushed through the public school system.
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
9298 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:29 am to
I've always admired Mike Rowe.

He's completely right in this regard.
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10177 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:29 am to
Unfortunately, today's business world requires a degree. I gained 10 years experience as a regional HR manager with my previous company, but with the lack of a degree, cannot get an interview for HR positions.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16569 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:31 am to
He's absolutely right. Learning and applying yourself to a skilled trade like carpentry, plumbing, welding, concrete finishing, etc will almost always pay well and certainly far better than a BA in literature or music.
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7769 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:34 am to
quote:

Unfortunately, today's business world requires a degree. I gained 10 years experience as a regional HR manager with my previous company, but with the lack of a degree, cannot get an interview for HR positions.


Yea that fricking retarded but that is today's world. Real world experience trumps some paper on the wall any day in my opinion (which counts for nothing).

Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10177 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:37 am to
I agree with you. I don't know why so much focus is put on a degree. Yes, completing a degree is evidence of some self discipline and good work ethics, but the graduate still has to be trained at the same price as the one with work experience, maybe even at a higher price.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 11:38 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72080 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:38 am to
Completely agree. For many, it is a waste of time and resources.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27067 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:45 am to
The problem is that we have lost sight of the original purpose of the liberal arts degree. It was never meant to get anyone a job. Originally, it was meant to sharpen the knowledge and skills of children of nobility to make them better rulers. Over time, it morphed into a general education to broaden perspectives, teach verbal and analytical skills, etc, etc. I wouldn't trade my liberal arts degree for anything, but I never expected it to get me a job. Getting a job was on me; my liberal arts degree was simply supposed to not only make me better at that job, but to make me a generally more well rounded, more educated individual. It has done both tasks admirably.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57956 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:46 am to
quote:

That said, I hold 2 degrees and do not regret my decision to go to college. I just realize that college isn't for everyone. Especially, the marginal student who got pushed through the public school system.




I truly believe lots of kids go to college because they have no clue what they want to do, are stressed about the job market and they use college as a way to postpone having to make a decision about the future.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 11:54 am to
quote:

I truly believe lots of kids go to college because they have no clue what they want to do, are stressed about the job market and they use college as a way to postpone having to make a decision about the future.


That was once the reason many people joined the military, for some reason today they would rather accumulate $100K in debt while trying to find their true purpose in life.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42595 posts
Posted on 3/8/14 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

my liberal arts degree was simply supposed to not only make me better at that job, but to make me a generally more well rounded, more educated individual

and to get laid by an better class of bar sluts.
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