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Proposed Base Closures
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:14 pm
Saw this article and wondered why the SECDEF is trying to close domestic bases and shipyards? Why in a poor economy with high jobless numbers are they targeting anything domestically?
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I know the anti-defense budget people are happy to kill anything military, but why shutdown installations that produces jobs here in the states? The article doesn't mention what other closures are proposed, but it seems to me we should keep domestic installations and close some of our foreign installations.
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I know the anti-defense budget people are happy to kill anything military, but why shutdown installations that produces jobs here in the states? The article doesn't mention what other closures are proposed, but it seems to me we should keep domestic installations and close some of our foreign installations.
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:16 pm to Navtiger1
Well, without clicking the link, the military doesn't exist to create jobs.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:26 pm to rcd0808
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Well, without clicking the link, the military doesn't exist to create jobs.
Neither does the government exist to bail out failed corporations. Oh wait.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:31 pm to rcd0808
Well I will agree in principal but have to disagree in reality.
Nearly 1% of America is employed by the Defense Department. So while it may not exist to create jobs it does. So why kill domestic jobs when we can close foreign bases and stop giving tax payer dollars to foreign workers. I mean we have 22 bases in Japan alone.
Nearly 1% of America is employed by the Defense Department. So while it may not exist to create jobs it does. So why kill domestic jobs when we can close foreign bases and stop giving tax payer dollars to foreign workers. I mean we have 22 bases in Japan alone.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:36 pm to Navtiger1
Well if we're talking reality then our military doesn't really exist to protect the homeland. It exists to project power abroad, protect our national interests and international trade routes. So by that metric we should keep our overseas bases open and close them here.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:37 pm to Navtiger1
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why kill domestic jobs when we can close foreign bases and stop giving tax payer dollars to foreign workers. I mean we have 22 bases in Japan alone.
that story was about cuts that'd close a shipyard, not a base. do we have shipyards in foreign countries available to close before this one?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:38 pm to rcd0808
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Well if we're talking reality then our military doesn't really exist to protect the homeland. It exists to project power abroad, protect our national interests and international trade routes. So by that metric we should keep our overseas bases open and close them here.
WTF
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:53 pm to 90proofprofessional
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that story was about cuts that'd close a shipyard, not a base
The Portsmouth Naval shipyard is a base. As are all of the DOD owned shipyards. As the article states it is a political move and not because the shipyard is obsolete. It is being closed because of the budget cuts and is being closed without congressional approval as is normal protocol by going through BRAC.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:54 pm to rcd0808
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our military doesn't really exist to protect the homeland. It exists to project power abroad, protect our national interests and international trade routes
Actually it does all of this.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:55 pm to Navtiger1
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Proposed Base Closures
need to have corresponding tax cuts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:58 pm to Navtiger1
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Proposed Base Closures
Needs to happen overseas significantly, and especially in the middle east.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:02 pm to Navtiger1
I can understand cutting foreign bases first, but now the purpose of military is to create jobs? Government spending creates jobs?
Are you a small government free market conservative?
Are you a small government free market conservative?
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:04 pm to Navtiger1
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The Portsmouth Naval shipyard is a base. As are all of the DOD owned shipyards.
i should have been clearer- the story was about shipbuilding jobs. are there foreign shipbuilders whose projects we can cut first? if not, maybe there's a legit reason this one is on the chopping block. just because a representative of the workers there says it's unjustified and wholly political doesn't make it so
OTOH, people need to be aware that cutting defense spending has costs other than readiness (although i do believe that we can easily take a nontrivial cut in spending there without making us less safe in earnest)
our defense spending is also a huge middle-class jobs program, and an effective mobility program as well
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:06 pm to 90proofprofessional
We have needed to close some of the shipyards for a long time. I hated that they closed the Northrop Grumman/Avondale yard here, but it was about 15 years overdue.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:15 pm to Asgard Device
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but now the purpose of military is to create jobs?
Pretty sure I never said this. I said it does as noted in my response 1% of America is employed by the DOD. While that is not its purpose it does create jobs.
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Government spending creates jobs?
Depends on how you want to look at it. 8% of America works for Uncle Sam for better or worse.
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Are you a small government free market conservative?
Not as small as some, but yes over all. I'm also active military so I’m also selfish in that regard. I have also never said the DOD doesn’t need to downsize or realign. But I think politics plays a significant role in it and the opposite party (D or R) likes to stick where it hurts to make a political point instead of making wise choices.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:26 pm to Navtiger1
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I think politics plays a significant role in it and the opposite party (D or R) likes to stick where it hurts to make a political point instead of making wise choices.
that's a point well-taken and probably true. but no matter where such a cut takes place, it will hurt the local economy badly.
the argument over where the cuts take place should not be based on this consideration in any way- the considerations should be only providing the service to the public in a cost-effective way. what would be unwise would be to let other considerations cloud how defense decisions get made, such as the effect on jobs in this senator's state or that congressman's district
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:36 pm to notiger1997
The difference is that Portsmouth Naval is only one of 4 (5?) nuclear shipyards we have. They are constantly full of carriers and subs for refuels, medium discharges, coolant pump replacements etc...
When one is closed (Charleston in the 90s) it just adds to the workload and backlog of the other shipyards resulting in jobs being pushed through.
When one is closed (Charleston in the 90s) it just adds to the workload and backlog of the other shipyards resulting in jobs being pushed through.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:34 am to notiger1997
quote:Avondale wasn't a Federally owned Shipyard.
We have needed to close some of the shipyards for a long time. I hated that they closed the Northrop Grumman/Avondale yard here, but it was about 15 years overdue.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:36 am to Navtiger1
Cut the overseas bases first then look locally
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