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Today's Tribune Op-Ed cartoon pretty much sums up our COIC*

Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:21 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:21 am
*Community Organizer In Chief





ETA: Lest we forget.....









This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 9:32 am
Posted by yumahog
Independence, Missouri
Member since Jun 2012
803 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:22 am to
Accurate
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:28 am to
I agree with Obama on this one.

We should cut the military and quit being world policemen.

Where I am sure Obama and I disagree is just how to respond to attacks on the USA. For example I believe we should have bombed Afganistan out of existence after 911--nuke or not.

I think we should encourage the full militarization of Japan and we should seriously consider withdrawing from NATO. We should never again lead a UN military effort like the Korean war.

Posted by yumahog
Independence, Missouri
Member since Jun 2012
803 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:32 am to
quote:

I agree with Obama on this one.

We should cut the military and quit being world policemen


You dont't think shrinking the military would not open us up to more terror attacks? You don't see this as making us look weak?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:33 am to
Freeman only worries about movie companies getting tax credits.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:45 am to
quote:

You dont't think shrinking the military would not open us up to more terror attacks?


No. I don't think 911 would have happened if we did not have a base in Saudi Arabia. Do you?

quote:

You don't see this as making us look weak?


Did we look weak when our spending levels were are 2001 levels before we got involved in all the wars?

Look weak to who? Only a fool would think the holders of the largest nuclear weapon stockpile in the world was weak. Only a fool would think the nation with the largest navy by far is weak.

You can't complain about big government and then advocate for defense spending to carry out far flung wars and military actions that have nothing to do with our defense.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:49 am to
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I don't think 911 would have happened if we did not have a base in Saudi Arabia. Do you?
Yes.
quote:

Did we look weak when our spending levels were are 2001 levels before we got involved in all the wars?
Yes.
quote:

Look weak to who?
Everyone, including our traditional allies.
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Only a fool would think the holders of the largest nuclear weapon stockpile in the world was weak.
Only a fool would think we would use our "largest nuclear weapon stockpile in the world" to stop an invasion by Russia of a country in Eastern Europe. In fact, only a fool would even mention the possibility as a sign of our strength.
Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:53 am to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:55 am to


I mean..... .

Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9417 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:56 am to
Yes we need a bigger military. Let's throw more money at it and hope it makes everything better.

And 14 years of war is not enough. Let's continue sticking our nose into every hotspot around the world. Forget about our crumbling homeland.

Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:00 am to
quote:

s we need a bigger military. Let's throw more money at it and hope it makes everything better.



Why not shrink it to the size of say Brazil's. Nothing bad could ever come of that, right?
Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
Member since Sep 2004
20387 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:03 am to
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Let's throw more money at it and hope it makes everything better.



Kind of like the 35 yrs we've thrown money at education.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9417 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:04 am to
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Why not shrink it to the size of say Brazil's.


That is not what is being proposed, and not worthy of further response.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:06 am to
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That is not what is being proposed, and not worthy of further response.

Then why did you bring up the comparisons with other countries?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:08 am to
quote:

Only a fool would think we would use our "largest nuclear weapon stockpile in the world" to stop an invasion by Russia of a country in Eastern Europe


Only a fool would think we had any business being involved in a Russian invasion of Crimea.

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In fact, only a fool would even mention the possibility as a sign of our strength.


What is it other than strength?? Only a fool would look at that stockpile as something weak.

OBL stated goals in regards to the US to was to rid the region of US military presence.

No one can look at our Middle East policies since the fifties and say we have done anything of particular benefit to the US's defense. It was just stupid to think we had to be involved in the Middle East to protect oil and nothing demonstrated that better than when Reagan ended price caps on gas and OPEC's ability to create embargos disappeared.

Even Eisenhower questioned the CIA's reasoning for installing the Shah of Iran. Stupid political rhetoric in Congress and from oil companies and CIA power centers pushed him to orchestrate the over throw of the democratically elected Iranian government.

I will take President Eisenhower's word on defense spending. I suppose given your bloated ego you consider yourself a better authority on such things than the most experienced warrior of the twentieth century.

quote:

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.”


quote:

“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 10:09 am
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45783 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:10 am to
Looking at that graph, we should have China building our tanks, planes, ships, drones and missiles. We could save a bundle!

Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9417 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:14 am to
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Then why did you bring up the comparisons with other countries?


My post you quoted was in reply to the ludicrous idea of shrinking our military to the size of Brazil. That is not what anyone at the pentagon, Obama admin, or that chart has proposed.

Posted by willthezombie
the graveyard
Member since Dec 2013
1546 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:15 am to
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I agree with Obama on this one

I agree that we should shrink the military and have less of a standing army and more of a reserve.
quote:

We should cut the military and quit being world policemen.

cut the military yes, stop being the world policemen no. I don't want to give islamists or communist more influence in the world.
quote:

Where I am sure Obama and I disagree is just how to respond to attacks on the USA. For example I believe we should have bombed Afganistan out of existence after 911--nuke or not.

which would have just made more muslims hate the US and made the problem worse.
quote:

I think we should encourage the full militarization of Japan

hell yes. It has been almost 70 years since WWII ended and Japan is probably our biggest ally outside of britain. Let them defend themselves against China.
quote:

We should never again lead a UN military effort like the Korean war.

so let evil dictators kill and rape millions of ppl great way to make friends.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:16 am to
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Forget about our crumbling homeland.


We tried to address this. It was called the stimulus bill.

Except only a smidgen of it went towards infrastructure. So why would anyone trust Obama with a second chance?

By the way, what do you think about those funds being misappropriated, and why aren't you mad about it, given you're trying to come off as some steward of the economy?

Among many, wasting those dollars was Obama's biggest failure.
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 10:19 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:16 am to
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What is it other than strength??
You can't be serious.

Our nuclear weapons are in place ONLY to prevent someone from using their nuclear weapons against us.

Are you really this out of touch with the reality of the last 65 years of conflicts in the world and why we maintain a nuclear arsenal?

Everyone is the world knows that we would not use our nuclear weapons in any conventional weapon conflict. We've proven that over and over again. We got our arse kicked in South Vietnam and we still refused to go nuclear. Terrorists trained in and directed from Afghanistan killed over 3,000 Americans on our soil and we didn't use nuclear weapons in Afghanistan.

I guess "everyone in the world" knows it but you.

Go back to movie tax credit threads. At least you appear to be up to date on that topic.
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