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Why do we still have section 8 in this country?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:47 pm
The market has done a pretty bad job at providing poor folks with certain commodities, but housing is not one of them. So, is this program solely around because of the votes it provides?
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
As I understand it, Section 8 housing is free. Where is the market providing free housing?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:23 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Because, people aren't bright enough to build a cardboard shanty
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:23 pm to dr smartass phd
Politicians need votes
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The lilly white illiberals gotta keep them po' fowlkes outta their neighborhoods.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:36 pm to Zach
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As I understand it, Section 8 housing is free.
Not usually. I think that the government pays part and the tenant pays the rest. But I think that the rest is still government guaranteed. I don't know for sure though.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
LINK /
Good article on the impact of subsidized housing on working class communities Memphis....which no doubt mirrors many other cities that don't have the geographic or economic benefit of being able to push the poor into the neighboring municipalities.
Spoilers: Section 8 housing has created HUGE amounts of collateral damage to the social fabric of the community. The problems follow the people, and damage neighborhoods- primarily working and middle class blacks. The benefit is that some politicians can claim they cleaned up downtown and the owners of rental property get a steady stream of revenue.
Good article on the impact of subsidized housing on working class communities Memphis....which no doubt mirrors many other cities that don't have the geographic or economic benefit of being able to push the poor into the neighboring municipalities.
Spoilers: Section 8 housing has created HUGE amounts of collateral damage to the social fabric of the community. The problems follow the people, and damage neighborhoods- primarily working and middle class blacks. The benefit is that some politicians can claim they cleaned up downtown and the owners of rental property get a steady stream of revenue.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Section 8 has replaced public housing in most of the country. Why would we get rid of it?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:41 pm to Easy
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Not usually. I think that the government pays part and the tenant pays the rest. But I think that the rest is still government guaranteed. I don't know for sure though.
It's probably based on some ability to pay scale. But last week it came up on Judge Judy.
Judy: How much do you pay in rent?
Her: I'm in section 8 housing.
Judy: So you pay no rent at all?
Her: Correct.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:42 pm to Reubaltaich
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The lilly white illiberals gotta keep them po' fowlkes outta their neighborhoods.
It's the opposite isn't it? All cities that use some government program that I forget are required to provide low income housing. It's often met by Section 8 requirements in new construction. When they don't enough provide low income housing they can be sued. Like happened in (IIRC) lily white Westchester NY.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:51 pm to Easy
quote:Why is there any housing subsidy at all? Pubic housing and section 8 are the same in my book.
ection 8 has replaced public housing in most of the country. Why would we get rid of it?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:56 pm to Easy
I dunno about that that.
The big city illiberals like to keep the low-income housing on the other side of town.
Its kinda like they talk about thier support of public education BUT the send their children to these exclusive, lilly-white private schools.
The big city illiberals like to keep the low-income housing on the other side of town.
Its kinda like they talk about thier support of public education BUT the send their children to these exclusive, lilly-white private schools.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:03 pm to Reubaltaich
Violent crime is dispersed as the people who lived in those old projects were forced into section 8 housing....making it more difficult to contain and control.
I'm not sure subsidized housing is a better alternative than actual housing projects. Check the link I posted about this.
I'm not sure subsidized housing is a better alternative than actual housing projects. Check the link I posted about this.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:04 pm to Reubaltaich
I know most about the Los Angeles area and it's not like that out here.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:09 pm to Easy
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Why would we get rid of it?
it keeps rents high for poor people, especially those not poor enough to get section 8
it destroys neighborhoods
it encourages slum lords
it disincentivizes upkeep
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
But the alternative is having more homeless, many of them children.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:14 pm to Easy
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But the alternative is having more homeless,
if rents were lowered, likely not as many as you are thinking of
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many of them children.
imprison their parents. that's my response to this fricking old arse argument. unless you want to punish their parents, i have no sympathy for the argument
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:14 pm to Easy
quote:Nah. Like I said, the market has been great for poor people when it comes to housing.
But the alternative is having more homeless, many of them children.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
in addition to section 8, the government needs to stop propping up housing prices and protecting banks holding shadow inventories
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:18 pm to dewster
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making it more difficult to contain and control
Public housing did neither of those things. In fact, it did the opposite. It allowed crime culture to fester and harden. Generations were raised in such squalor where there was nary a sign or source of inspiration of how one is supposed to live. Few models of moral or responsible behavior, compounded by generations of children having improper guidance. We got one or two generations past the point where even grandparents had any idea what real parenting looked like.
I don't know what societal ills we will see with a switch to more mixed communities through section 8 and mixed use housing projects (HOPE Grants), but we KNOW what public housing did, and it was terrible!
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