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re: Why do we still have section 8 in this country?

Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:12 pm to
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
30922 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:12 pm to
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That's completely untrue. Minimum wage at full time = 14.5k yr. If you spend 30% of your income on rent, that leaves you less than $400 a month to spend on rent, which in most urban areas won't get you shite.


Someone making min wage should be open to living with a roommate. $400 is adequate in that case.

Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:19 pm to
I did when I was younger.

Still, when my dad was a young man in the 70's, you could still get a regular, low skilled job and still support yourself. It's a shame what's been done to our money and our economy.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261134 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:33 pm to
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Still, when my dad was a young man in the 70's, you could still get a regular, low skilled job and still support yourself. It's a shame what's been done to our money and our economy.


My dad got out of the service, worked min. wage for a while til he worked up the ladder. I think our rent was $50/month for a two bedroom, one bath house.

Costs of living have just gone through the roof. Maybe subsidizing has helped that process.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:38 pm to
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Costs of living have just gone through the roof. Maybe subsidizing has helped that process.



Most definitely. It's seen from housing, to food, to health care and "higher learning."

Some people get really rich while more people struggle to keep up with the artificial inflation/manipulation.
Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
8399 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:39 pm to
At one point in my life I owned two apartment complexes mostly filled with Section 8 vouchers.

Section 8 is designed primarily for single mothers to help subsidize their housing. It is a tough and stringent program to get on and vouchers are only available as Fedeal dollars are available. If Fed dollars are spent for the year, no new vouchers are issued.

To receive a voucher an applicant has to provide tax returns and document two years of earnings and expenses. A single mother with one child qualifies for a one bedroom apt, two kids two bedroom apt/house, three kids etc. The voucher can be used for any rental property anywhere as long as the landlord will accept it. The voucher amount is determined by the local market rate for a given unit the applicant qualifies for. If the applicant has no job and is dependent upon food stamps, Medicaid etc chances are the voucher will pay the full monthly rent. If the applicant has a job the voucher amount falls and and the amount owed by the tenant rises based upon a formula.

The housing unit does have to be inspected by the Section 8 office and has to meet guidelines, so no, the unit can't be a dump or a slum. In fact many dont qualify and the landlord can choose not to accept the tenant or the voucher and both part ways. The applicant must be criminal record free, must report all income to the office and must pay their share of the voucher monthly or they are kicked off the program. The unit is only to be lived in by the mother and children and no one else. No baby daddies, no parents, if that rule is violated, they are off the program permanently...something I was very strict about.

It isn't a total free ride but like all govt programs it can be cheated or manipulated. I saw it benefit and do what it was planned to do many times, and I saw it abused and cheated many times, moreso the former than latter.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33510 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:43 pm to
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lsuroadie


Thank you. Lots of kneejerk ignorance around here about the Section 8 program. Many people say "I'm not opposed to giving a man a leg up if he is willing to help himself". In my opinion, the Section 8 program is closer to that than to just a straight handout.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261134 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:58 pm to
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In my opinion, the Section 8 program is closer to that than to just a straight handout.


It is a handout.

For these programs to work, you've got to ensure people are moving up and not stagnant or falling out. The current system doesn't offer much in the way of making sure people are moving up and in fact inhibits it in many ways.

I've known a couple of people who've gone through section 8 and it helps some people become homeowners. Unfortunately zero down usually means they walk away at some point, as both of those I know who've gone through the program have done.

The current programs fricking suck, and until you folks stop defending them and realize what they are doing to people, the situation will get worse. They need reform in a bad way
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67151 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:06 am to
Section 8 is a cancer on our society. However, the government has real estate owners addicted to that sweet sweet easy, steady money and Section 8 buys a lot of poor votes. Also, cities that don't comply can be sued by DOJ. It simply isn't worse the fact.
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 7:20 am to
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Politicians need votes

it certainly doesn't explain why it exists in Louisiana.

So everybody go back and think about why conservative politicians want this giveaway to exist.
Posted by tsmi136
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2011
3906 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:19 am to
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The unit is only to be lived in by the mother and children and no one else. No baby daddies, no parents


There's a section 8 house down the street from my parents and I can honestly say that this property has single handedly brought down the value of the entire neighborhood. No incentive to upkeep at all. The place is a revolving door of people with atleast 4-6 kids and many young men.

My parents actually had a situation a couple of months ago where one of the kids was acting up and the mom and boyfriend duct taped his feet and hands, put a dirty sock in his mouth and then duct taped that as well. Then they pulled his pants down and beat the shite out of him. He managed to escape and hobbled outside where my dad was and called the cops.

I realize that this was an anomaly and government assistance is good and necessary in a lot of cases but it's hard to support it when you see stuff like this regularly
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 9:21 am
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2005
31765 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:26 am to
The percentage of the rent of that is subsidized is very large nearing 75% or greater.
Posted by lsu fan cw
Member since Jan 2014
305 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:42 am to
They won't cancel it because hundreds of wealthy people make money as landlords in the program.

Posted by lsu fan cw
Member since Jan 2014
305 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:43 am to
They won't cancel it because hundreds of wealthy people make money as landlords in the program.
Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:33 am to
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Section 8 has replaced public housing in most of the country. Why would we get rid of it?



Because it rewards the buidlers, owners of the buildings off the backs of the taxpayers, many that share living in those same apartment buildings but pay full price for their home while their neighbor lives in an apartment that has the exact same floor space and gets section 8.
Here in Burbank there are apartments like that and the section 8 will pay less than $800 for their apartment that the other tenant is paying over $2,000 a month.
Posted by Elcid96
Member since May 2010
5465 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:35 am to
A good democrat calls that "rent equality"!
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:05 am to
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As I understand it, Section 8 housing is free
As I understand it, Section 8 housing is subsidized, based on the ability to pay.

The question I have, how is Section 8 housing determined. I think Section 8 is only applicable with renting and not with purchasing a home, but I am not 100% sure about that.

Secondly, can Section 8 charge a higher rent because of the subsidy? If I was in the business of buying homes and renting for a profit I would probably seek Section 8 applicants. Charge 20-30% more for the rent and let the government pay for it.
Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:08 am to
Here they tend to be new construction and the rents are significantly higher.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:21 am to
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Here they tend to be new construction and the rents are significantly higher
Has anyone EVER lost money on a government contract?
Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
8399 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:31 am to
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dante
see my post above
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33510 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:33 am to
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Has anyone EVER lost money on a government contract?


Many people are complaining that Medicare doesn't pay doctors enough.
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