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Let's Talk About the Farm Bill

Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:55 pm
Posted by Redfish2010
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:55 pm
Ducks Unlimited and Delta Waterfowl seem to both be excited about it.

It's my understanding that it offers some sort is subsidy for farmers. But what does that mean for waterfowl populations and hunters?
This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 12:55 pm
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:56 pm to
taking away direct payments for rice farmers


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A separate subsidy program would trigger payments when crop prices drop. This is similar to current subsidies, though the new programs would kick in sooner, especially for cotton and rice

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The legislation would eliminate a $4.5 billion-a-year farm subsidy called direct payments, which are paid to farmers whether they farm or not. The bill would continue to heavily subsidize major crops — corn, soybeans, wheat, rice and cotton — while shifting many of those subsidies toward more politically defensible insurance programs. That means farmers would have to incur losses before they received a payout.
This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:21 pm to
The same farmers bitching about ObamaCare and welfare while taking a shite load of government money themselves.

Buncha hypocrite fricks.
Posted by Huntinguy
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:21 pm to
They are probably excited about the conservation provisions for things like CRP, WRP and CREP.
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by Huntinguy
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:24 pm to
lol
Posted by DonChowder
Sonoma County
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:42 pm to
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jimbeam
Waiting to hear your take on this.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:44 pm to
The second quote in my first post sums it up.

I know a lot of farmers who don't care if subsidies all just go away. Market will correct itself.
Posted by Huntinguy
Member since Mar 2011
1752 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:47 pm to
This.

The conversation around my office this morning was about how to keep from having to sign or report anything to FSA.


If USA/USDA won't jack with our markets, we'll adjust.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:47 pm to
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The same farmers bitching about ObamaCare and welfare while taking a shite load of government money themselves.

Buncha hypocrite fricks.
That would be the landowners, who are often legislators.

I know even after we'd converted all our crop land to cattle we were still receiving 14K for some land we still had rice base on...and that's peanuts compared to some cases. Ours was only 100 acres.
Posted by prostyleoffensetime
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2009
11415 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:05 pm to
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The same farmers bitching about ObamaCare and welfare while taking a shite load of government money themselves.

Buncha hypocrite fricks.



I'd love to know what percentage of costs some people think subsidies cover. Just to get a gauge on how much they know or don't know about the business side of it.

FWIW just about all farmers can handle losing the subsidies. Landowners might get upset though. Land prices are the easiest to manipulate in order to adjust for losing subsidies.


eta: This thread took a predictable turn, and, of course, I have nothing to contribute to the original question.
This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 2:09 pm
Posted by jimbeam
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:07 pm to
It's about 85%. I'm about to go drop a milli on a new combine or 2. All you have to do is drive tractors and make da green!!








Posted by Mung
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:11 pm to
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JayWall


C'Mon Jay, gubmint cheese is OK as long as it is directed to giant agribusiness, corporations, the health care industry and shithole countries that hate us. It's only bad when given to the poors. Don't bring that hippie Kalifornia libruhlism onto the OB!
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
84 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:11 pm to
So what I gather is subsidies aren't really needed.

Wonderful. I'm so glad my taxes are being well spent.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:13 pm to
and we're off
Posted by prostyleoffensetime
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2009
11415 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

So what I gather is subsidies aren't really needed.

Wonderful. I'm so glad my taxes are being well spent.


No, in today's farming world, they are not needed to operate... Well, I'm not going to speak in absolutes and make broad generalizations like people tend to do when talking about farmers, but no, we do not need subsidies to operate on the specific farm I manage.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:40 pm to
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The 2014 Farm Bill includes the conservation and sporting community’s top priorities of re-coupling conservation compliance to crop insurance and a Sodsaver program affecting top duck producing states of Iowa, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota and South Dakota.

“This is a big win for conservation and for working farmers and ranchers. The conservation programs authorized and funded through the farm bill are the backbone of Ducks Unlimited conservation work on private lands, and they have just been strengthened by the inclusion of our top priorities,” said DU CEO Dale Hall. “It has been a long road of compromise to get to this point, and DU congratulates Chairman Lucas and Ranking Member Peterson on the major accomplishment of passing the 2014 Farm Bill.”

More than 70 percent of the nation’s original native grasslands and 50 percent of wetlands have already been lost. Conservation provisions included in the 2014 Farm Bill are designed to encourage the conservation of our nation’s remaining wetlands and grasslands, which help keep our waters clean, prevent soil erosion and provide vital habitat for waterfowl and other wildlife.

“We also appreciate the leadership of Speaker Boehner and Minority Leader Pelosi in shepherding this farm bill that is so important to all citizens to a strong bipartisan vote on House passage. We look forward to expedited consideration by the Senate and bipartisan passage there,” said Hall.




look at those big bad farmers taking all that money
Posted by Redfish2010
Member since Jul 2007
15168 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:44 pm to
Still none of the means anything to me.
Posted by DonChowder
Sonoma County
Member since Dec 2012
9249 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

Wonderful. I'm so glad my taxes are being well spent.
Your taxes have never been well spent.
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:31 pm to
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I'd love to know what percentage of costs some people think subsidies cover.
how about I don't care. Welfare is welfare.

Out of my pocket and into a farmer's.
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