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Monty quote on Tyreke after Magic game.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:06 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:06 am
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"He has that ability, he just has to continue to improve," Pelicans coach Monty Williams said. "The one thing he does better than most guys in the NBA is he gets to the basket. Now he's got to understand that when he goes and three or four guys show up, he has got to find. But to have the kind of line he had it's a great complement to AD (Anthony Davis) and Eric (Gordon). For us to have a chance to win, we've got to have three guys basically step up and have numbers like that."
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I find Monty's lack of trust in Tyreke a bit surprising.
We're paying the guy 11M for 25 minutes per game? I hope that wasn't the plan when we made the move for him.
Also, fwiw, Tyreke scores more per 48 than Gordon.
Evans-24.8
Gordon-23.4
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:08 am to CecilShortsHisPants
Tyreke has been great this year. Monty's rotations baffle me to no end.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:09 am to CecilShortsHisPants
Where do you get lack of trust from that quote?
And injuries have played a significant role in his lack of minutes.
And injuries have played a significant role in his lack of minutes.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:16 am to CecilShortsHisPants
Evans can actually score at will and create his own shot, and brings many things to the table offensively. Therefore can only play an average to below average number of minutes per game
I believe this is referred to as the Marcus Thornton Theorem of basketball rotations, a theory devised and used frequently by Monty Williams
I believe this is referred to as the Marcus Thornton Theorem of basketball rotations, a theory devised and used frequently by Monty Williams
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 12:17 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:16 am to quail man
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Where do you get lack of trust from that quote?
Read the article.
Also, Evans is posting a career-high assist percentage, (27.7), this year. Yet Monty still wants to see him pass the ball more.
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And injuries have played a significant role in his lack of minutes
I wouldn't say a "significant" role. He's close to 100% on that ankle right now, and still only played 28 minutes at Orlando.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:17 am to saintsfan92612
quote:something something injuries something something
Monty's rotations baffle me to no end.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:18 am to danman6336
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Evans can actually score at will and create his own shot, and brings many things to the table offensively. Therefore can only play an average to below average number of minutes per game
I laughed at your sarcasm mainly because its actually not far-fetched.Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:19 am to CecilShortsHisPants
Close to 100% does not equal 100%
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:20 am to CecilShortsHisPants
Stats don't say everything. Monty sees something and is simply trying to help Tyreke get better. I see no lack of trust. I mean frick, if he doesn't trust Tyreke who is he going to trust. Brian Roberts?!?!
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:29 am to Aced
Even if Evans was 100%, I have a hard time believing he'd be starting and getting the 35 minutes that this team needs from him.
That's what I mean by lack of trust. I think Monty should be embracing Tyreke as a team leader rather than omitting him and going straight to Gordon and Davis right now.
That's what I mean by lack of trust. I think Monty should be embracing Tyreke as a team leader rather than omitting him and going straight to Gordon and Davis right now.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 6:37 am to CecilShortsHisPants
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Evans is posting a career-high assist percentage, (27.7), this year. Yet Monty still wants to see him pass the ball more.
He doesn't want him to pass the ball more just to pass it, he's saying if you're triple or quadruple teamed someone has a better shot than you. The thing is he's wrong, they may be open, but they don't have a better shot, especially if AD is in the neighborhood to clean up. It's nice to finally have a defense breaker, haven't had one of those since we parted ways with CP3.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 6:58 am to TigerinATL
You basically said what I was trying to say, so well done.
I feel like Tyreke should be used as a weapon, on both sides of the floor, and Monty wants him to be just a small piece
I feel like Tyreke should be used as a weapon, on both sides of the floor, and Monty wants him to be just a small piece
Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:09 am to CecilShortsHisPants
Move the ball for the better shot is basketball 101, you probably don't want Monty thinking any differently honestly. On the one hand you don't want to slow the Bull in the China Shop down. On the other hand Tyreke is effective because the defense just can't stop him, regularly passing out of the quadruple team and having 3s knocked down just gives him another attack vector and might open the lane for him. It certainly is something he should work towards, it just needs to come naturally, and I don't think Monty was asking him to force passes, just work on getting better at passing in those situations.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:35 am to CecilShortsHisPants
I think waaaaayyyyyy too much is being read into Monty's comments. In most of his comments about players there's a qualifier or a reference to possible improvement. I don't see the big deal.
Now a prediction: my comment will be blow up into "defending Monty" or some such nonsense. I could actually say the reverse. That people who dislike Monty are reading nonexistent meaning into his comments.
Now a prediction: my comment will be blow up into "defending Monty" or some such nonsense. I could actually say the reverse. That people who dislike Monty are reading nonexistent meaning into his comments.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:39 am to TigerinATL
I've noticed the more comfortable he's gotten with the team since the beginning of the year, the more he's distributing the ball when attacking the rim. First 10 games or so of the year he was just attacking and forcing shots. Now he's attacking and distributing more and more.
I believe the more he shows the ability to dish to an open man, the more efficient he will become. He won't have to force as many shots over multiple defenders. The defense will have to respect him as a passer meaning they won't be able to help as much.
I believe the more he shows the ability to dish to an open man, the more efficient he will become. He won't have to force as many shots over multiple defenders. The defense will have to respect him as a passer meaning they won't be able to help as much.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:12 am to VOR
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I think waaaaayyyyyy too much is being read into Monty's comments. In most of his comments about players there's a qualifier or a reference to possible improvement. I don't see the big deal.
Spot on.
There is room for wondering why Evans is at 25mpg. Should be closer to 30, but there are possible reasons other than just blanket Thornton PTSD and incompetentence.
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defending Monty
The vocabulary used to frame arguments is fascinating to me.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:34 am to corndeaux
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The vocabulary used to frame arguments is fascinating to me.
At this point people are done with Monty and looking for reasons to fire him. It is ridiculous how every mistake, not even mistake, just strategy you disagree with, turns into a fireable offense. I had to post a follow up to my original comment on the issue, because it was taken as attacking Monty. And while I was disagreeing with what Monty said in this case, 1) it wasn't fireable offense disagreement, and 2) I think he'd probably agree with my clarification that you don't want to force Tyreke to pass but getting there naturally would make him even more effective.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:57 am to TigerinATL
The fact is Reke should be playing more minutes.
Monty can suck it until he plays him more.
Monty can suck it until he plays him more.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:24 am to saintsfan92612
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Tyreke has been great this year.
He is the worst shooter in the NBA outside of 8 feet
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:30 am to CecilShortsHisPants
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We're paying the guy 11M for 25 minutes per game?
Admittedly we have no idea how close to healthy he is. We legitimately seem to be trying to win, and I'm starting to wonder if Jrue/Ryno will be back this year when I initially thought "no way in hell".
Regardless, the way Monty spreads his minutes is somewhat baffling. I've said it before, you bring him in at the 3min mark in the 1st and 3rd, he has to play 15min stretches in a row just to make it to the 30 mark. 15 minute stretches hardly seem smart if he isn't 100% so I'm really not sure what the strategy is.
It'd be better to bring him in at the 7-8 minute mark, let him take a breather to start the 2nd/4th with EG on the floor, and bring him back in during the official timeout in the 2nd/4th.
That's how I'd do it. I don't like the idea of Tyreke being on his 13-15th minute on the floor during the most important part of the games.
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