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Starting Your Own Business: Early questions

Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:21 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52796 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:21 pm
Not anywhere near the point to start my own business yet.

But i was just wondering, whenever you decided to take that chance, and start your own business, what did you do for money before your product started turning a profit?

I want to start up a brewery one day in the future. I still have a few books to read and a lot more beer to brew before I even think about formulating a business plan and looking for investors.

What did you do, right at the beginning, for money? I have a good job right now, but I am risk averse. I would like to one day start up a brewery, but the biggest question i initially have in my mind is, "How do I pay myself before i even start making money? What replaces the loss of a steady paycheck?"

Does some of the loan money go towards paying yourself?

Just curious. The brewery idea may never happen, or maybe it will. But this is one question I do not know the answer to.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:30 pm to
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What did you do, right at the beginning, for money?
Investors. Structuring debt/equity agreements that benefits both parties, bank loans, personal savings.

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"How do I pay myself before i even start making money? What replaces the loss of a steady paycheck?"
Simple answer, debt. If you don't have enough cash flow to pay yourself, debt is necessary. Keeping personal overhead as low as possible before start-up is obviously advantageous.
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Does some of the loan money go towards paying yourself?

Yes, you should definitely include this in your business proposal if you don't feel you will be hauling in the cash early on.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 3:32 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52796 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:35 pm to
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Yes, you should definitely include this in your business proposal if you don't feel you will be hauling in the cash early on.


Start-up costs for a brewery are fairly large, from what i've read. Brewhouse equipment is costly.

Thanks for the info. I had an idea, that's what i'd have to do.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:55 pm to
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I have a good job right now, but I am risk averse.


Starting your own business will be riskier than being employed. Because you hold the most risk and have the most to lose.

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What did you do, right at the beginning, for money? I have a good job right now, but I am risk averse. I would like to one day start up a brewery, but the biggest question i initially have in my mind is, "How do I pay myself before i even start making money? What replaces the loss of a steady paycheck?"


If you are willing to give away ownership, you can take on partners. I know we have talked about this idea and I have a few wealthy people who have shown serious interest in giving capital up front for ownership. I want to start with brewpub because I can pay that off myself and not give away ownership. My plan is to have at least 6 months living in my bank account and I'd expect to not get paid for a while. Especially in brewing where your cash cycle is so long.

You have to pay for grains and such, brew,ferment, age, then sell. If you are selling to a distributor, expect another month before you are getting paid after delivering the goods. That means you are gonna have a 2.5 month period where you have paid for goods but aren't getting paid for your production.

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Does some of the loan money go towards paying yourself?


With little to no "professional" experience it's going to be damn near impossible for you to get any type of loan. Some may take a chance on ownership because there is more reward for the risk taken. While getting a loan would be ideal, I doubt you will find even a small business loan and if you do, they would likely only give you 60% of what you need to get business running.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
59522 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:00 pm to
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what did you do for money before your product started turning a profit?

Had enough saved up to live about 18 months without ever making a dime.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:22 pm to
I saved enough to have a year's amount of income at my previous "employed by someone else" compensation rate.

I decided going in I would give my business 6 months to be self-sustaining. If by the end of 6 months more money was going out than coming in, I would start the process of shutting down and I would still have 6 more months of savings to live on while I looked for a job.
Posted by GregYoureMyBoyBlue
Member since Apr 2011
2960 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:18 pm to
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I decided going in I would give my business 6 months to be self-sustaining.


I assume this is referring to a lifestyle business and not a venture business right?

To OP: Depending on what your goals are for the business should narrow down what you need to have from a cash flow perspective. Brewery/Distilleries are popping up everywhere so be sure to look at your market and see if it's saturated or not. I vet business plans daily and have seen at least 4-5 distillery shops just in the past month or so.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:31 pm to
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Does some of the loan money go towards paying yourself?


Within reason of course, and any investor will expect that.

Whether they will want to pay for someone with little to no professional experience is another matter.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4967 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:45 pm to
Get as much work experience as you can first.

Try to work for someone else in the business for a while, if you can.

Determine to know your craft inside and out.

Know all the rules and regs: state, local & federal.

A year of living expenses is a must, you probably will not make a profit for a least a year.

Become so good at your craft that your reputation will be a magnet for future investors.

ETA: Don't fudge your estimated expenses. Think of daily operating expenses in your mix as well. Try to foresee unknown variables as well, these can kill your business.

Good luck
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 9:05 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:57 pm to
I started my business with $30000 from my retirement account and some equity I had in a house I sold. Moved in a rent house. Did not pay myself year one. Paid myself $25000 for two years. That was 22 years ago.

I left a $100K job to do it.

Now I still keep my salary low. I have a small 7 figure net worth that is tied up in the business in things like inventory and receivables. I have rarely been able to take significant cash from the business because I still have the ambition to grow it. YOU WILL NEVER HAVE CASH in a business whose assets are mostly inventory, equipment and receivables as long as you grow the business. YOU CAN NOT stop growing IMHO. So forget cash.

I will disagree that working for someone else is less risky. IT IS MORE RISKY than owning your own business. Ask any 50 year old whose employer decided to exit the business they have been employed in the last 25 years.

It takes a different mindset.

Breweries are a dime a dozen and market share is VERY hard and VERY expensive to obtain. Transportation cost are a very big cost and getting placement through marketing is very costly.

Anyone can be successful in business if they work and manage properly regardless of how tough the business is.

Have you thought instead of making a recipe book of brews you could market to home brewers? or God forbid a film about brewing which you could screw the taxpayers for third of it making it?

(Laugh at the last suggestion if you like but nothing keeps you from forming a LLC to make a film and funding it at $300,000 then becoming an employee of that LLC and pay yourself the same $300000 as salary and getting 35% of that from the state. Use your $300K salary to pay back the money you funded the LLC with. You could do your own editing and as long as you used it commercially---buy cheap time on a local cable station to air it --you would qualify for the film tax credits and be out nothing--you would actually have a profit. You would have a no cost product to sell about a subject you seem to enjoy.)



This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 4:06 pm
Posted by GoHoGsGo06
Member since Nov 2006
5739 posts
Posted on 1/15/14 at 9:47 pm to
Not having cash and having net worth "tied up" in receivables doesn't sound great to me. Neither does having my net worth tied up into depreciable assets either. That's just me though.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/16/14 at 8:09 am to
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Not having cash and having net worth "tied up" in receivables doesn't sound great to me. Neither does having my net worth tied up into depreciable assets either. That's just me though.


Well the appreciable assets are the real estate the company owns --after all these years the buildings are worth a pretty good bit more than the depreciated balance sheet. The most valuable thing is off balance sheet too---the trademarks and brands.

Unfortunately to turn those appreciable assets to cash means to end ownership of the business.

You are exactly right about cash being tied up in AR and depreciable assets. That is the nature of hard good manufacturing or distribution however. A beer bottler, for example, is going to have a lot of money tied up in bottling equipment and receivables and both ingredient and finished good inventory. If the bottler gets into distribution--and he has too somehow either through loss of margin using an existing distributor or with his own trucks--then that eats cash too.
To grow such a business is going to consume the cash the company generates.

Selling media content or soft ware content is far less cash consuming thus the suggestion to write a book or make a film or do a website on brewing if that is what interests the guy.
This post was edited on 1/16/14 at 8:12 am
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