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Tesla insiders are selling their stocks

Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:20 am
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:20 am
A sign of bad news to come?
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Aggressive speculators may wish to follow the lead of Tesla’s insiders who have been selling their stock, the data indicates that 99 out of 106 insider transactions were sells

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Thursday TSLA finished at 147.53, – 3.75 ( 2.48%) on 5-M/shrs, less than 50% of the average 90 average trading volume.

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Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 1/10/14 at 5:50 pm to
You'd need more info than that.
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 2:46 pm to
Just to update it looks like there has been a little bit of a short squeeze today.
Posted by Boudin
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
10133 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:19 pm to
I'm new to this stuff.. How does a bunch of share holders selling their stocks cause the prices to soar??

Are people just trying to buy up as much as they can with prices dropping?
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6077 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:35 pm to
It doesn't. They often sell it while or after it soars in order to diversify their own portfolios. Or they sell it after they hit that 6 month mark to diversity.

Insiders selling a stock isn't a bad sign. If they are doing it because they "know something", they will (or should) find themselves in Federal Prison for a long stretch, with shareholder derivative suit ready to greet them as well.
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:38 pm to
The way someone shorts a stock is by borrowing a share from a shareholder and selling immediately, then they wait for the share price to drop and then buy the share back and return it to the original shareholder. A short squeeze is when a lot of people are shorting a stock (like TSLA where the last article I read one third of the shares are being borrowed to be shorted) and when there is good news or just an increase in the share price the shorters have to buy back the shares because they have limitless liability if the share price sky rockets. But when there are so many people having to buy back the shares this increases the price.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:29 am to
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Aggressive speculators may wish to follow the lead of Tesla’s insiders who have been selling their stock

oopsie
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
Hub City
Member since Nov 2006
16900 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:29 am to
I wouldn't touch that stock. The valuation is crazy. All potential.

eta: Elon has his shite together though
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 12:00 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:42 pm to
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The valuation is crazy.

While entirely possible (as is anything), it's also possible that it is severely undervalued still.
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All potential.
All stocks are valued on potential. Don't we calculate value based on expected future returns? Let's think about Tesla's future. Tesla is currently selling cars faster than they can build them, on an advertising budget of approximately zero dollars. These cars are among the highest ever tested for safety, are extremely highly rated in customer satisfaction, and customer loyalty is almost at Apple-like cult levels. Tesla should have no problem doing the same with a crossover SUV, and with a cheaper sedan further down the road. Tesla expects to sell about 50% more Model S's this year than last (and I don't think they've missed a projection by much so far), so adding more models to the lineup should grow revenue even faster, but let's go conservative and say Tesla only grows revenue at an average of 30% over the next 10 years. That would drop Tesla's price/sales ratio from the current 13ish to a forward-looking 1.15 or so, placing it much, much more in the ballpark of the 0.4 of F and GM.

That is only looking at vehicle sales. Tesla is into more than that.

Tesla's supercharger network is already operational and growing rapidly. As far as I know, no other manufacturer has any or even has plans for them. It would not be surprising to me if Tesla would sell adapters and electricity to charge vehicles made by other manufacturers. These could end up being very, very profitable.

Tesla will most likely begin building their own batteries in a few years. This should, in addition to lowering the costs of building their own cars, also be a very profitable business itself.

So, yeah, obviously there is a lot of excitement surrounding Tesla and it could very well be overvalued, but there is plenty reason to believe it will realize (or even far exceed) its potential.

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eta: Elon has his shite together though
Yup
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32643 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:33 pm to
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but let's go conservative and say Tesla only grows revenue at an average of 30% over the next 10 years.
I'm not saying that won't happen but I wouldn't call that a conservative estimate. Even if they have the first badass electric car, how long would it be before GM or some other car company currently selling for 8 times earnings was selling the same quality car?
Posted by plex
Argentina
Member since Nov 2013
111 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:50 pm to
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how long would it be before GM or some other car company currently selling for 8 times earnings was selling the same quality car?


GM could start by learning how to make a fossil fuel car. Baby steps.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 3:13 pm to
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how long would it be before GM or some other car company currently selling for 8 times earnings was selling the same quality car?
I don't know, 100 years and counting? And if they do come around and build something decent, who's to say they won't buy batteries and powertrains from Tesla like Toyota and Daimler do?
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I wouldn't call that a conservative estimate
Well, it seems pretty conservative to me, and apparently it seems conservative to many investors, as well.
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