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The Disney Spectrum
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:48 pm
Developing a thought here. What is the Disney Spectrum? Where do Disney movies fall/relate to other Disney movies?
I will include all Pixar films, but will exclude all the rest of sequels (Lion King 2, Aladdin 2, Beauty and the Beast 2, etc.). There are a lot of Disney movies; some have held up over time and some have not.
I understand that there will be some people that will be partial to the recent Pixar films, and some will be partial to the classics. And some will rate Song of the South real low. So, what is the spectrum?
I will include all Pixar films, but will exclude all the rest of sequels (Lion King 2, Aladdin 2, Beauty and the Beast 2, etc.). There are a lot of Disney movies; some have held up over time and some have not.
I understand that there will be some people that will be partial to the recent Pixar films, and some will be partial to the classics. And some will rate Song of the South real low. So, what is the spectrum?
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:51 pm to McVick
Disney is a huge company with many facets. Are we just talking animated features? Or are you also including pure live action films such as Mary Poppins or the Marvel movies? What about movies released under their other brands such as Touchstone and, I believe, at one point MGM Studios? What about where they have signed agreements to be the exclusive distributor of a studio in the U.S., like the deal they signed with Studio Ghibli, maker of Japanese Anime films like Spirited Away?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:52 pm to McVick
Worst - Brother Bear; The Great Mouse Detective; Dinosaur
Best - Aladdin, Toy Story 3, Lion King, Wrecking Ralph.
High rated classics that aren't great but earn high points due to being classics
Cinderella
Fatasia
Sleeping Beauty
Dumbo
Lady and the Tramp
Forgotten classics
The three caballeros
Song of the South
Huh, you sure that is a Disney Movie?
(but still good)
The Dark Crystal
Oliver and Company
Fox and the Hound
Crap
Hunchback
Hercules
Emperor's New Groove
Mulan
Best - Aladdin, Toy Story 3, Lion King, Wrecking Ralph.
High rated classics that aren't great but earn high points due to being classics
Cinderella
Fatasia
Sleeping Beauty
Dumbo
Lady and the Tramp
Forgotten classics
The three caballeros
Song of the South
Huh, you sure that is a Disney Movie?
(but still good)
The Dark Crystal
Oliver and Company
Fox and the Hound
Crap
Hunchback
Hercules
Emperor's New Groove
Mulan
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:55 pm to Napoleon
GTFO
Emperor's New Groove is a great movie.
Emperor's New Groove is a great movie.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:01 pm to Napoleon
quote:
Worst
quote:
The Great Mouse Detective
GTFO
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:03 pm to Tiger1242
see there will always be a lot of disagreement in Disney films.
Let's just look at the non-Pixar films in the Animated classics line up. Which stand out as the weakest?
Let's just look at the non-Pixar films in the Animated classics line up. Which stand out as the weakest?
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1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) {Napoleon Ranking} **1/2
2. Pinocchio (1940) ***
3. Fantasia (1940) *1/2
4. Dumbo (1941) ***
5. Bambi (1942) ***1/2
6. Saludos Amigos (1942) *
7. The Three Caballeros (1944) *
8. Make Mine Music (1946) DNS
9. Fun and Fancy Free (1947) DNS
10. Melody Time (1948) DNS
11. The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949) *1/2
12. Cinderella (1950) ***
13. Alice in Wonderland (1951) ***
14. Peter Pan (1953) ***1/2
15. Lady and the Tramp (1955) ***
16. Sleeping Beauty (1959) **1/2
17. One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961) ***
18. The Sword in the Stone (1963) ***
19. The Jungle Book (1967) ***
20. The Aristocats (1970) **
21. Robin Hood (1973) ***
22. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) **1/2
23. The Rescuers (1977) **
24. The Fox and the Hound (1981) ****
25. The Black Cauldron (1985) **
26. The Great Mouse Detective (1986) 1/2
27. Oliver & Company (1988) ***1/2
28. The Little Mermaid (1989) ****
29. The Rescuers Down Under (1990) *1/2
30. Beauty and the Beast (1991) *****
31. Aladdin (1992) *****
32. The Lion King (1994) *****
33. Pocahontas (1995) **
34. The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996)**
35. Hercules (1997) *
36. Mulan (1998) 1/2
37. Tarzan (1999) *
38. Fantasia 2000 (1999) 1/2
39. Dinosaur (2000) bomb
40. The Emperor's New Groove (2000) *
41. Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001)
42. Lilo and Stitch (2002) *
43. Treasure Planet (2002) DNS
44. Brother Bear (2003) bomb
45. Home on the Range (2004) 1/2
46. Chicken Little (2005) bomb
47. Meet the Robinsons (2007) *
48. Bolt (2008) ***
49. The Princess and the Frog (2009) ***
50. Tangled (2010) DNS
51. Winnie the Pooh (2011) DNS
52. Wreck-It Ralph (2012) *****
53. Frozen (2013) *****
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:05 pm to Napoleon
First, as a reference:
Disney Movies
Now, there are many factors to the Disney Spectrum. Longevity, marketing, story, animation style, and originality really can determine which Disney movies become classics. Toy Story 1 is a classic because it was so different. Lion King is a classic due to the marketing, songs, and big names that were attached. 101 Dalmatians is a classic based on the originality of the story (being recent and not a Grimm Fairy Tale or a popular tale).
This comes about from watching Frozen and trying to determine where it falls on the Disney Spectrum.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:07 pm to Napoleon
quote:
Worst - The Great Mouse Detective
DIAF
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:09 pm to GeauxColonels
quote:
Worst - The Great Mouse Detective
DIAF
It was forgotten because the MUCH better "An American Tale" came out at the same time, animated by an ex lead Disney animator.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:21 pm to Napoleon
The Great Mouse Detective saved Disney Animation Studios. After a string of failures, it was going to be shuttered. Roy Disney, Walt's nephew, pleaded with Michael Eisner to let him run it and keep it open. From Wikipedia:
"After the failure of the Disney animated feature film The Black Cauldron, this simpler film proved to be a success upon its initial release in 1986. As such, the new senior management of the company were convinced that their animation department was still a viable enterprise and this set the stage for the Disney Renaissance."
"After the failure of the Disney animated feature film The Black Cauldron, this simpler film proved to be a success upon its initial release in 1986. As such, the new senior management of the company were convinced that their animation department was still a viable enterprise and this set the stage for the Disney Renaissance."
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:25 pm to Napoleon
mulan and dinosaur are awesome
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:39 pm to Ironbat31
quote:
mulan and dinosaur are awesome
You are full of shite. Awesome is Up, not Mulan.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:28 pm to Napoleon
This is a topic people will never agree on, because your age and childhood memories will reflect your choosing.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:38 pm to Napoleon
quote:
Worst - Brother Bear; The Great Mouse Detective; Dinosaur
What the frick?
All three of those are solid (I'll admit a bias for Brother Bear since it's the first movie I saw with my goddaughter).
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:41 pm to CocomoLSU
Brother bear was pretty bad. Most of the Disney movies from 2000-2009 where pretty bad.
They didn't have the direction and story telling that they had in the 90's. Late 70's-89 was a bad period too.
I never really thought mouse detective was memorable.
What gets me is the thread is to discuss the spectrum of movies yet half the posts are people not liking MY opinion on Mouse Detective.
They didn't have the direction and story telling that they had in the 90's. Late 70's-89 was a bad period too.
I never really thought mouse detective was memorable.
What gets me is the thread is to discuss the spectrum of movies yet half the posts are people not liking MY opinion on Mouse Detective.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:42 pm to Napoleon
quote:
to discuss the spectrum of movies
That's a pretty tall task though. Give it time.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:42 pm to Napoleon
quote:
people not liking MY opinion on Mouse Detective
Because it's a stupid opinion. That's why.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:46 pm to Napoleon
Also:
That's when Pixar really hit its stride, and the focus shifted to that I imagine.
@009 did have Princess and the Frog though.
Also, I reserve the right to bash you for calling it "Wrecking Ralph" and saying Emperor's New Groove was crap.
quote:
Most of the Disney movies from 2000-2009 where pretty bad.
That's when Pixar really hit its stride, and the focus shifted to that I imagine.
@009 did have Princess and the Frog though.
Also, I reserve the right to bash you for calling it "Wrecking Ralph" and saying Emperor's New Groove was crap.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:48 pm to Napoleon
quote:
Worst - Brother Bear; The Great Mouse Detective; Dinosaur
You suck, dude.
quote:
Crap
Hunchback
Hercules
Emperor's New Groove
Mulan
Okay, I dislike you.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:55 pm to floyd of pink
I like Great Mouse Detective, Mulan, Hercules, and Hunchback sans the dumbass gargoyles (Frollo was such a great villain). I also like Pocahontas.
And I love the "classics" and the early 90s films. Fwiw I rewatched Lion King recently and thought it was good but not GOAT worthy like a lot of people deem it to be.
My favorites are Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin.
And I love the "classics" and the early 90s films. Fwiw I rewatched Lion King recently and thought it was good but not GOAT worthy like a lot of people deem it to be.
My favorites are Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 12:56 pm
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